ASIC received a significant, detailed complaint of misconduct concerning a company that sells gold, silver and palladium to the public, and then stores the bullion on behalf of their customers.
The complaint suggested the company was selling bullion it did not own, failed to purchase that bullion and had a storage vault incapable of holding the volume of bullion they were minding. Further, that customers are having trouble getting their purchased bullion and there are questions around council approvals and the suitability of their “vault”.
ASIC investigated and found nothing wrong, however there is doubt around the veracity of the audit.
ASIC offered to brief me on this matter, which I accepted.
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Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. I will move to another topic quickly. As per ASIC’s response to questions on notice, ASIC conducted an investigation involving a precious metals business in financial year 2022-23. This was in response to a complaint regarding the company not holding the precious metals it was supposedly charging storage for. The questions relate to that. Can ASIC describe the nature of the investigation? Was ASIC investigating whether the bullion was fake or missing? What was the purpose of your investigation?
Ms Court: Senator, that’s right. As you say, ASIC has had a complaint. I think as we’ve advised the committee previously, if I talk broadly in relation to gold bullion—
Senator ROBERTS: I thought it mentioned a company name. That’s fine.
Ms Court: Sitting here today, I’m not sure if we have mentioned that company name publicly or not. I’m certainly very familiar with the matter—
Senator ROBERTS: Okay, good.
Ms Court: that you are referring to.
Senator ROBERTS: Let’s assume we both know the name.
Ms Court: Yes. We received a report of misconduct in relation to that company in April last year, 2022. We have been investigating that carefully. We’ve done a very thorough—
Senator ROBERTS: What was the aim of the investigation? Was it to investigate whether the bullion was fake or whether it was missing?
Ms Court: At a high level, Senator, the aim of our investigation is to ascertain whether or not there has been a breach of the ASIC Act or the Corporations Act, which is—
Senator ROBERTS: So it was both, was it?
Ms Court: Which is what we administer. I’m cautious about how much I say publicly. We certainly took the allegations very seriously. We did ascertain the extent of the holdings, if I could put it in that broad term, to make sure—
Senator ROBERTS: How many clients it has and how much gold it is supposed to have?
Ms Court: Yes, indeed, we did. Indeed, part of the reason that it has taken us some time to conclude that investigation, Senator, is that we have engaged experts in that area to do a physical check, if you like, to ascertain those holdings. We had a significant detailed complaint. We’ve taken that complaint very seriously. We have expended considerable resources on that investigation over the course of the last 18 months.
Senator ROBERTS: How much advanced notice did ASIC provide the company before conducting a physical site inspection?
Ms Court: I would have to take that on notice.
Senator ROBERTS: Okay. I understand that ASIC gave the company sufficient time so that it created an opportunity to alter its business affairs before a physical site inspection was allowed—in other words, move gold in.
Ms Court: Senator, as I say, I will take that on notice. I should put on the record that I highly doubt that is the case.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. The complainant had reports that a large quantity of gold was moved into storage to perhaps make the books balance, a feat that was possible because of the long notice that was provided. Why didn’t you just get a search warrant and turn up for a surprise check?
Ms Court: Senator Roberts, I dispute that characterisation of what has taken place.
Senator ROBERTS: Did you get a search warrant?
Ms Court: I’m not going to comment on our investigatory process in relation to a particular company. Of course, we’re very happy to give you a briefing, Senator.
Senator ROBERTS: If you could, and a time line?
Ms Court: Yes, indeed. We can take that on notice, Senator.
CHAIR: Last question, Senator Roberts.
Senator ROBERTS: The company claims to have tens of thousands of storage clients. I would like to know whether you confirmed the clients as well as the amounts of gold that are supposed to be there? Why did ASIC use taxpayer money to test the authenticity of the physical bullion rather than charge the subject?
Ms Court: Senator, I will take all those questions on notice. They do involve a particular investigation. We are conscious that a range of allegations have been made and continue to be made about this matter. As I said earlier, we have focused significant resources in getting to the bottom of these issues. We will finalise our investigation shortly. I’m very happy to give you a briefing in relation to that and to take your questions on notice, Senator. Please be assured that we have treated this with the utmost seriousness.
Senator ROBERTS: Could your office contact my office to arrange a time for a briefing? We are going to be in Canberra quite a bit in the next couple of months?
Ms Court: Yes, indeed.
Senator ROBERTS: That would be good.
Ms Court: We’ll go through the appropriate processes and do that, Senator. We would be very pleased to assist you with that information.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you very much. Thank you, Chair.
Hmmm, the public needs to urgently be made aware of which gold selling and storing company this is. It’s one thing for ASIC to say they are taking the complaints matter seriously, another to provide clear answers for the public’s peace of mind.
The investigation must be w/o notice if there was any integrity with this concern.
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This pre announcement seems to be Gov practice for not embarrassing those clients.
This is also public knowledge re ages care facilities…. Let them know a fortnight before….
RR
Having quite a few years of experience in investigation the last thing and I mean the last thing I would be doing is giving advanced notice that I was about to conduct a search warrant or audit. If this was indeed the case then the investigators involved need to go. Just ridiculous.
Hmmm…more gold shenanigans. Western Australia has a shocking record. In the 1980’s 3 Mickleberg brothers spent time in Fremantle prison for “stealing” gold from the Perth Mint. It was later proved that they were framed by 2 detectives. The gold was never located and shockingly the detectives were never charged!!
Fast forward to 2017 and we have Goldgate. Billion-dollar scandal: The Perth Mint sold tainted gold to a Chinese businessman.
An ABC expose 2023, showed the Perth Mint selling gold for cash to well known Perth identities strongly linked with organised crime. To date there has not been an investigation and nobody held accountable. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-06/tainted-gold:-inside-perth-mints-billion-dollar/102060270
The Wild Wild West!!
*no investigation.
ASIC also needs to look into the Australian companies FFX and LLL. They collected hundreds of millions of A$ in investor funds but appear not to own or run the mines in Mali they had claimed to have. The ASIC is starting to have a severe reek about it. Certainly discourages investment in Australia if the regulators are corrupt.
Thank you for your persistence to overcome corruption, greed and self-centredness
So how many questions did she answer? (Rhetorical) This appears to be a pattern over the last few years, “I would have to take that on notice.” “Yes, indeed. We can take that on notice, Senator.”
Dealing with Australia’s bureaucracy is like dealing with a cranky 12 year old daughter.
Does Australia require vault services to undergo independent (3rd party) audits? ASIC has been on this particular case for 18 months? What have they done in the last year and a half?