Recently the Government changed its tune, but you used to be a conspiracy theorist for pointing out there was a difference between dying with COVID or from COVID. Now with the official release of Australian Bureau of Statistics data we have it confirmed just how many of those who died had other contributing factors.

It’s just another tick on the list of things “conspiracy theorists” been saying all along that the Government has tried to deny the truth of.

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[Malcolm] Thank you Chair, and thank you all for being here. My questions have to do with death data, particularly from COVID and information gathering. Can I reference your diagram entitled, Data Flow for Doctor Certified Deaths? I think that’s it there. It’s off your website.

[Committee Member] Do you need a copy of that, Mr. Gruen?

[Dr. Gruen] It’s a question of whether it’s in this publication or not but I know a copy would be helpful.

[Committee Member] Not sure this is speeding things up.

[Malcolm] Multitasking.

[Dr. Gruen] So just in summary, it’s a really simple workflow. So it’s a data flow for doctor certified deaths. The workflow is, someone dies, death event, doctor certifies, or it goes to a funeral director, but that’s only a small percentage. And then from there it continues to where the doctor then sends a certification sent to the state births, deaths and marriages. And then from there, the state officers send data weekly to the ABS, that’s broad summary.

And of course Senator, it doesn’t include deaths that would go to the coroner, so it’s not all the deaths.

[Malcolm] Correct, but that’s a small number.

[Dr. Gruen] 20 percentish, I think.

[Malcolm] 20, okay.

[Dr. Gruen] I believe so.

[Malcolm] But they eventually get entered in later, when the coroner has resolved.

[Dr. Gruen] Yes.

[Malcolm] And we’ve also got the Queensland process here, but that just verifies what you’re saying. Can I have copy back please?

[Dr. Gruen] Yes, certainly.

[Malcolm] So is that correct?

[Dr. Gruen] If it came from our website, it’s correct.

[Malcolm] And my summary, which is backed up by the-

[Dr. Gruen] I think the summary, I didn’t hear anything in the summary that I would take exception to.

[Malcolm] Thank you. When a doctor certifies a death, they certify a cause of death, thank you. If the cause of death is unknown, the matter is referred to the coroner to decide. Between 86 and 89% of deaths are doctor certified, meaning we know the cause of death at the time we know of the death. So my question is, the transfer of doctor certified death data from the state to the ABS, how long does that take? And has this reporting time changed over the last three years?

[Dr. Gruen] We can take that on notice exactly how long it takes but certainly what we have started to do, and we started doing this, I think in 2020, was to start publishing deaths data purely on the basis of deaths certified by doctors. So before that, we had an annual publication of all deaths but it was very substantially delayed. So the annual publication would come out something like 10 months after the end of the year for which it was reporting. One of the other things that we did as a consequence of COVID, was to see whether we could provide useful information on mortality much faster, and so we instituted a new publication, which is monthly, which is called Provisional Mortality Statistics. And what we do is report on doctor certified deaths that we have collected up to that point in time.

[Malcolm] And then if they come in later because the doctor is slow, whatever, you add them.

[Dr. Gruen] Exactly, so in other words, if you look at the subsequent month’s publication, it will have slightly more of certified deaths in the previous month because new ones have been added, that’s correct.

[Malcolm] Okay. So referencing your website, the causes of death in Australia, the last data release, I think you may have explained this, was September 2021 for the period calendar 2020. That’s what you said, it was about nine or 10 months later. Is this the most recent data, other than the COVID data released on the 15th of February? That’s this one here, COVID mortality in Australia.

[Dr. Gruen] I’ve got it. So the answer is, the annual data is the deaths from both doctor and coroner certified. That’s the annual data, but we are as well as that, doing a monthly publication of just doctor certified deaths. Those come out monthly.

[Malcolm] So the annual is accurate in terms of, it got the coroners.

[Dr. Gruen] It’s complete.

[Malcolm] Complete, thank you. Yeah, they’re all accurate. So, let’s continue. So referencing the COVID-19 mortality in Australia which you have in front of you, issued 15th of February, 2022. Quote, it says, “COVID-19 deaths that occurred by 31st of January, 2022 that have been registered and received by the ABS.”, end of quote. So here we’ve got death data, and cause of death data that’s only two weeks old. Not three months old for single mortality figure or 10 months for the cause of death. Could you go through that report on the bottom of the first page, Mr. Gruen? 2,639 deaths where people died with or from COVID. What do you mean by with or from, specifically?

[Dr. Gruen] So that’s explained later in the document. The vast majority of them are from, a small number are with. So if you look at page three, it explains, there were 83 deaths, which were COVID-19 related. Sorry, I’m reading from a doc point in the middle of page three.

[Malcolm] No, no, I’ve got it sampled.

[Dr. Gruen] 83 deaths, which were COVID-19 related. The person died with COVID-19, confirmed or suspected, but it was not the underlying cause of death.

[Malcolm] So COVID was not the underlying cause, it was something else.

[Dr. Gruen] That’s right. So just to be clear, there were 2,704 deaths that were either with or from COVID, and of those, only 83 were with, the rest were from. So the vast majority are from.

[Malcolm] The cause of death was COVID, okay. So if we turn over to page two, at the top of page two, you have chronic cardiac symptoms with the most common preexisting chronic condition for those who had COVID-19, certified as the underlying cause of death. That goes back to the previous page, the second bullet point, the majority of deaths had an underlying cause. So where would that fit in, the 83?

[Dr. Gruen] No, no. So there were a substantial proportion of the people who died from COVID had preexisting conditions, right? But the preexisting condition didn’t kill them, but the COVID was the underlying cause of death. But the fact that they had a preexisting condition, was material.

[Malcolm] So is there any percentage of those who died with or from, who had chronic cardiac conditions?

[Dr. Gruen] Yes. It’s a good publication, Senator. It’s worth reading.

[Malcolm] I haven’t read it all.

[Dr. Gruen] No, that’s okay. Associated causes conditions in the a causal sequence, page eight. That will tell you about all the… Hang on, preexisting conditions, sorry. Preexisting conditions, page nine. And there’s a chart on page 10, which shows you what the conditions were and the proportions.

[Malcolm] So that’s percentages, are they?

[Dr. Gruen] Yes.

[Malcolm] Okay, so these are percent of the 83?

[Dr. Gruen] No, percent of the 2000. We’re talking about people who have… Yes, that’s it. Preexisting conditions were reported on death certificates for nearly 70% of the 2,556 deaths due to COVID. That’s a sentence at the bottom of page nine. And then the conditions, that chart-

[Malcolm] On the graph.

[Dr. Gruen] The chart shows you the proportion of chronic conditions that were reported on the death certificate. And you can have more than one, cheerfully.

[Malcolm] Cheerfully, right. Okay, so turning now to birth data…

[Dr. Gruen] That’s not gonna help.

[Malcolm] The Australian Bureau of Statistics releases birth data at the end of the year following. This data could influence the debate around the effect of vaccines on reproduction and may provide reassurance to vaccine customers. Why does it take so long to report on a simple metric like births? I understand the delay in the deaths for the getting the accurate annual figure, but why does it take so long for births?

[Dr. Gruen] Yeah, so I don’t know the answer to that question.

[Malcolm] I will take that on notice, Senator.

[Dr. Gruen] Yeah, we can certainly take that on notice.

[Malcolm] So the Australian Bureau of Statistics budget has grown 18% in the last year from 497 million in 2019/20 to 588 million in 2021. Is that enough to get your data out in a timely fashion?

[Dr. Gruen] So as you would be aware, the bureau publishes data across a very wide range of topics, economic, social, environmental, demographic. And so, obviously timeliness is one of the things that we care about, and in answer to Senator Walsh’s questions, I was talking about some of the new products that we have produced that have been much more timely to help decision makers in the pandemic, but there’s no question, there’s a limit. And the other thing that we care critically about is accuracy and making sure that what we produce is correct. So some of these things do take a substantial amount of time, that we are cognisant of that, and we do our best to publish them as quickly as we can, and it ultimately is a function of the resources available to us.

[Malcolm] Last question. What you’re saying, and I would agree if this is the case, is that it is better to have accurate data a little delayed, than timely data that’s not accurate.

[Dr. Gruen] It depends on the circumstances. In a situation where a pandemic has just broken out, we made the judgement that we were happy to produce data that was somewhat less accurate, fast. So there are circumstances where you are willing to accept that trade off.

[Malcolm] Is there any way we can get that

Today I talk to Emeritus Professor of Law David Flint about our broken system of democracy, the monarchy and republic fight, China, ABC, Biden and much more. Listen above or read the transcript below. See all episodes of my show on TNT radio:

Recorded 19 February 2022

Transcript

(00:01):

You’re with Senator Malcolm Roberts on Today’s News Talk Radio TNT.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (00:07):

Good afternoon, or wherever you are in the world. It may be good morning. This is Today’s News Talk Radio, tntradio.live. Thank you for having me as your guest in your car, your kitchen, your lounge, to your shed, or wherever you are right now. There are two themes to my show, freedom and personal responsibility. Freedom is specifically in the context of freedom versus control. As we can see under assault all over the world is freedom right now. The control freaks want to take over. It’s basic, freedom is basic for human progress and people’s livelihood. The second theme is personal responsibility and the importance of integrity. That’s also basic for personal progress and for people’s livelihoods.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (00:55):

Our show’s direction and tone are along these lines. I’m fiercely pro-human. I’ve had enough. I’ve had a gut full of the media and politicians bagging and ragging on humans. Excuse me. I’ve just been told that my mic level is too high. The second thing is that I’m very proud to be part of the species that is the only species in the world that is capable of logical thinking. Although sometimes I wonder if all people are capable of logical thinking. Another aspect and tone is that we are positive. While we are here to deal with issues that people face and are concerned about, I encourage our guests to provide solutions, lasting, meaningful solutions, as well as what’s wrong with politics, what’s needed in politics. As well as what’s wrong with politicians, what we need in politicians. As well as what’s wrong with the media, what’s needed in the media.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (01:58):

We’ll get to the core issues, words and all to develop solutions. We’ll cover the human aspects, the strengths, the weaknesses, the vulnerabilities, the failings, the highlights. What makes people real? We want to be data-driven. We will be and are data driven, factual, truthful, and honest. And we will speak out bluntly on the issues. I had the privilege, and I mean that sincerely, the privilege of being one of the many hundreds of thousands of protestors in Canberra last weekend. I was down there, was due to come home for the weekend, but decided to stay. And so glad am I that that happened. My wife and son drove down the 14-hour trip to join me and join hundreds of thousands of protesters in Canberra.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (02:47):

And those protesters were either ignored by the media or downplayed into just a few thousand or maybe one channel even had 10,000. That’s complete rubbish. It filled acres and acres of land between the old parliament house and new parliament house. And what an exciting buzz it was. It was phenomenal energy there. People are angry, but they weren’t violent. They were calm. They’re determined, they’re encouraging, supportive of each other. The posters that people had, the signs, it was just beautiful. It was absolutely stunning to be there. And after the protest, I went down to Camp Epic, which is where tens of thousands of people are camped out. People have driven here from Perth, driven to Canberra rather, from Perth, from Darwin, from Brisbane. It was absolutely stunning.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (03:37):

And the environment, the tone, the energy was electric, but it was also people having fun. People just being themselves. It was a real community, tens of thousands of people from all over the country showing what real Aussies are about. And they’re about respect, they’re about care. They’re about freedom and they’re about community and connecting with each other. It’s one of the highlights of my life to just feel that atmosphere. It was just absolutely marvellous to see that back in Australia, after months and months, two years of government control.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (04:11):

What I’d like to do today is talk about the media. And it was triggered, this topic, by something David Flint, Professor David Flint said during his talk on the conversation two weeks ago with me here on TNT Radio. He says that the first duty of the press, The Times newspaper declared in 1851, “The first duty is to obtain the earliest and most correct intelligence of the events of the time and instantly by disclosing them to make them the common property of the nation.” David Flint is a very honourable man, a highly respected man, and he’s nailed it right there with that quote from The Times. So I’m going to hold the media to account today with my two guests.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (04:58):

First up, it’s great to be talking with Professor David Flint again. He joined me last fortnight to chat about the constitution and we invited him back. I didn’t realise it would be just within two weeks. Professor David Flint, who has an order of Australian medal, is an emeritus professor of law. He read law and economics at Universities of Sydney, London, and Paris. After admission as a solicitor of the New South Wales Supreme Court in 1962, he practised as a solicitor from 1962 to ’72 before moving into university, teaching, holding several academic posts before becoming professor of law at the Sydney University of Technology in 1989.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (05:38):

Professor Flint is the author of numerous publications. His publications include books and articles and topics such as the media, international economic law, Australia’s Constitution, and on Australia’s 1999 Constitutional Referendum. And I almost made the mistake of voting for that referendum until I listened to some high court judges in Brisbane. And then I became totally in favour of our constitutional monarchy. He was recognised with the award of World Outstanding Legal Scholar. I’ll say that again, World Outstanding Legal Scholar, awarded by the World Jurist Association Barcelona in October, 1999. He was made a member of the Order of Australia in 1995.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (06:23):

There’s a higher qualification though, that David has. He has come from lofty academia. He works and rubbed shoulders with some of the most powerful people in the country, and he is respected by them. But he remains a man of the people. You’re just as likely to bump into him on the street, bump into him at a protest, bump into him at a conference. He challenges the elites and the establishment, but is still highly respected by even them. He’s aware the system is broken and the media is responsible for perpetrating the two party system, the pseudo-democracy. Well, we’re given a choice, but there’s no real choice because they’re both the same. Welcome, David.

David Flint (07:03):

Well, thank you very much. Lovely to be on your programme again, Malcolm.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (07:11):

Something you appreciate, David, what do you appreciate?

David Flint (07:14):

Well, I appreciate common sense. Particularly because I think it’s such a guide in relation to politics and all sorts of public activities. Common sense mixed with integrity, if you have those two, I think you’ll go a long way. And that is what is so missing in the management of society today. You quite rightly quoted that comment from The Times back in 1851 at the time of the referendum in 1999, which wasn’t just a referendum about royalists wanting to keep the monarchy. It was about requiring those who wanted to change the constitution to be doing something to improve the governance of the country. We had quite a few slogans in that campaign. And one which really cut through was vote no for the politician’s republic because this was going to increase the power of the politicians.

David Flint (08:25):

It was going to take away the role of the crown as providing leadership above politics, and playing a role as one of the guardians of the constitutional system. That’d be taken away, and what you would have would be a puppet president and the power of the politicians, that is the two-party cabal, would’ve been significantly increased. But what we found in that referendum was that most of the politicians wanted the politician’s republic. The extraordinary thing was that the media, which have a duty because they get all their freedom. They get their freedom in return for being responsible,, for giving that real information to the people without bias and without distorting emphasis and not suppressing anything that’s in their code of ethics.

David Flint (09:22):

They have that enormous freedom so that they can be responsible but they weren’t in the referendum. And this is where I particularly noticed it because I was chairing the vote no group. And we used to meet regularly every day, and we would be amazed sometimes by the way in which the arguments were distorted. But there was an independent observer of that referendum in 1999. This was Bill Deedes, and later on made Lord Deedes. He was a very distinguished fighter during the Second World War, and he was one of the very lofty stream of people who’ve been editors of London Telegraph. London Telegraph is one of the most reliable newspapers in the world.

David Flint (10:14):

But he wrote this about the Australian referendum, “I have really attended elections or votes in any country. Certainly not a democratic one in which the newspapers have displayed more shameless bias. One at all, they determined that Australians should have a republic and they used every device towards that end.” That’s all of the newspapers. Most of the electronic media, all of the public media, the ABC and SBS, all of them were pushing one way. There was only one major person in the media who offered something towards the no case, and that was Alan Jones. Alan Jones used to say when people rang in and said, “Alan, I don’t know how to vote. What should I do?” He’d say, “If you don’t know, vote no. If you don’t know, vote no.”

David Flint (11:18):

But the fact is, even with all that massive campaign, all of the politicians, almost all of them, just a handful of them who were coming out and saying this model’s no good, all of the media, except Alan Jones, as a major person in the media, and many of the elites, big businesses, they’re all saying vote for this republic, although it would’ve increased the powers of the politicians. And yet, we were able to get a vote, which shows the common sense of the Australian people. We were able to get a vote, which produced a national majority. It produced a majority in all states. In a referendum, you’ve got to win at least four states. We got all states and we won 72% of electorates. Not relevant to a referendum but it just shows how sweeping that decision was by the Australian people, which shows that there’s a lot of common sense out there among the electorate. And-

Senator Malcolm Roberts (12:22):

Let me jump in there, David.

David Flint (12:25):

Sure.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (12:27):

That is a remarkable statistic you’ve just given us. But overwhelmingly, the Australian people, despite the media, despite the politicians being almost exclusively in favour of the republic, and despite the propaganda, the constant barrage all through the media, with exception of Alan Jones, the people still kept their sanity and the people prevailed. So that’s really important to understand.

David Flint (12:56):

And remember, we didn’t have much money. We didn’t have the money for advertising that Malcolm turn … Malcolm [inaudible 00:13:04] funded most of the republican campaign, and he put a lot of money into it, but it didn’t make that much difference.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (13:13):

Let’s come back to the media because I’d like to include this in the summary when I give it in a minute. You’ve written articles on the degradation of today’s journalism. People worldwide are waking up to the death and the dearth of journalism talent. What is it that you have been railing against in your articles against the media and that people are now waking up to?

David Flint (13:37):

Well, I think we’ve seen the worst in the United States where the mainstream media and a lot of the social media have decided to become the propaganda arm of the democratic party of a democratic party, which is swung to the far left. And when the media decided to become a propaganda arm, it’s like living in a communist country. It’s not as bad because you still have other media. But we saw this, for example, when Hunter Biden lost his laptop, and that laptop contained an enormous amount of information, which demonstrated that the Biden family had been operating as an enterprise while he was a senator while Biden was vice president, and now as president. He was operating as an instrumentality, particularly when he was vice president, which offered to plutocrats, usually in authoritarian countries. Offered to them access and influence in Washington, but highly improper of course, but that laptop showed this.

David Flint (14:55):

What happened when that laptop came out and young Hunter Biden didn’t deny that what was on that laptop was his. He didn’t deny that, although some people are saying it’s a Russian setup, but it turned out to be perfectly real. What it showed was that the Biden family was behaving, offering access and influence to plutocrats and their favourite plutocrat, because they were the ones willing to pay the Chinese communists. Now, what did the mainstream media do? What did the social media do when this came out before the final voting and the election? They killed it. Twitter and Facebook closed down the New York Post to cut … But New York Post was one of the few journalist outlets that was willing to broadcast this and mention this.

David Flint (15:55):

And after the election, there was an opinion poll, which showed that the majority of people didn’t know about what was on the laptop. They didn’t know about the laptop story because the press managed to hide it. And the majority of them said that if they had known, they would have voted against Biden. Well, that just demonstrates that the median America, a lot of it owned by corporate interests who were making a lot of money out of slave labour in China and the sort of things that go on in China, and they hoped to make a killing in the Chinese market, they were willing to sacrifice their media ethics to make sure that Trump didn’t get in.

David Flint (16:48):

Because Trump had shown himself to be the first president of the United States since Clinton effectively, unleashed the communist by allowing the communist to join the world trade organisation in the hope that they would follow its rules, which they haven’t. I mean, that’s why we’ve got a tax, I think of about 280% on our barley, because they had questioned the origins of the virus, which we’ve suffered from. That’s the situation-

Senator Malcolm Roberts (17:23):

We suffered from the virus, David, or have we suffered from government restrictions and mismanagement?

David Flint (17:27):

You’re absolutely right. And this really comes to the question we’re discussing. You’re right. This virus is benign in relation to the majority of the people. It’s one of those viruses where we’re fortunate enough to know who the vulnerable are. The vulnerable aren’t the healthy children, they aren’t healthy people. It’s essentially those people who are both elderly and suffering from other illnesses, they’re the ones who are the most vulnerable. And they’re the ones who should have been looked after. You’re so right, we’ve suffered terribly from government decisions, but it hasn’t been the virus that has caused the suffering for the great majority of people. And even in relation to the vulnerable, more people, more vulnerable have died than should have died because of the activities of the government.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (18:28):

I agree entirely but nowhere have I seen that in the media, except for maybe Adam Creighton in The Australian, a wonderful economist who speaks with data and truth. Terry McCrann, similarly. Perhaps if I could give a summary, and then we’ll start the conversation about what triggered me to invite you back so quickly. First of all, you’ve mentioned the politician’s republic, the vote for a republic would’ve been a vote for a politician’s republic to increase people’s power. That’s a wonderful insight that I didn’t realise until you mentioned it to me last week and you’ve repeated it again. You also mentioned that the media gets its freedom, whether implicit or by law, if it presents impartially.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (19:15):

You chaired the no vote group and you saw yourself, shameless biassed back then, I was too young at the time to realise that, but I thought newspapers were objective, but I realised now it was completely biassed. And you mentioned that was across all forms of media, all papers, most electronic media, the ABC, the SPS, the public broadcasters. And you said quite rightly so, there’s only one major media person who was opposed to the republic vote. And that was Alan Jones. How many times have we heard Alan Jones being pilloried for being alone in dissenting from the majority view? Majority of the media view that is.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (20:02):

And I loved your comment about Alan Jones saying, “If you don’t know, vote no.” And I would say that right through almost every topic today. And you pointed out something that was the core to what you said, despite all the political propagandist, the overwhelming weight of political opinion, political experts, which are not really experts, and the media, the people prevailed. And that’s why in my opening comment, I support humans because when we’re aware, we prevail. You then went on to talk about the USA gives us the worst examples of media bias, democrat bias, social media, which is paid to shut down opposition, the media itself. You quite rightly pointed out. And that’s significant, Professor Flint, because the USA is known to be the home of modern democracy.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (20:56):

We could argue Britain is, but in terms of modern expression, the USA thumps its chest about that a lot. And yet the USA now has the worst censorship because it’s hidden censorship. And we know for example, that if the tanks roll in and the army gets out with guns, we know that we’re being controlled. But what you’ve done is you’ve highlighted the hidden control, the subtle control, the invisible control, which is every bit as effective as a gun or a tank. The media has silenced me. They sometimes silence Pauline Hanson. And it’s significant to understand, I don’t know if you mentioned this, but you did mention that the corporates control the media and the media has become a propaganda arm.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (21:40):

That was mentioned to me by someone called John McRay back about 10 years ago, that he showed me quotes from the owners of the media, the Rockefellers, controlled by the banks, the major banks pushing the bank propaganda. And we’ve been under this not just for the last two years of COVID, not just for the last 24 years since the referendum, but we’ve been under this for a hundred years and longer. And you also pointed out that the communist part, Chinese Communist Party controls many of the corporations or the same people who control those corporations are in bed with the Chinese Communist Party to control humans around the world, not just China.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (22:20):

So we are in fact, while not ruled by the Chinese with guns, we are ruled by the corporate globalists with silence and with propaganda. Now, you mentioned, Professor Flint, that in my show two weeks ago when we had a chat, that the media perpetuates the two party system. And it’s really a one party system because the policies are almost identical and we’re given a choice, we think, but in fact, there’s no real choice because we get shafted with the same policies. How is the media perpetuating the two party system that is effectively one party?

David Flint (23:01):

Well, I think we see this, for example, in relation to the Wuhan virus, which the communist wanted us to call COVID-19 and the WHO, which is under their control, agreed to. But they do this because they’ve become the propaganda arm of the politicians. And that means the two party system, which as you write this in many ways is becoming almost one party because like oligopolist in a small market, they’re not competing. In a small market, oligopolists don’t compete on price. They compete on product or brand distinctions, different ways they advertise, for example. And that’s what the politicians are doing. They’re both, for example, for net zero emissions, they have very similar policies on most things, but they make a slight difference by saying one will be harder on China than the other.

David Flint (24:02):

Although both sides demonstrate that some politicians when they retire seem to be able to get very good jobs with the Communist Chinese. I think they’ve become, in many ways, the propaganda arm. And you see this in relation to the virus. Their favourite phrase is doing the right thing or the people have done the right thing. These people are going to do the right thing. We have to do the right thing. The right thing means what the politicians have decided is right. And this is from a group of politicians in the national cabinet most of whom have had no life experience and really don’t know that much about doing the right thing. Because they’ve been so up to their necks in political manipulation that they’ve lost a lot of the ideas of what the right thing is.

David Flint (24:58):

And just take it, for example, just take it at the beginning. They’ve ignored the common sense rule in relation to [inaudible 00:25:06]. Two common sense rules. Firstly, you look after the vulnerable. And if the virus is such that we know who the vulnerable are, and here we do know who they are, you look after them and you let everybody else get on as best they can with their lives. But what do they do? They abandon the vulnerable, the premier of Victoria being the worst there. And they tied down the rest of us as though we were all sick so that we couldn’t go out. We had to stay home. I live near Bondi Beach. The first thing they did was to close the beach. Though anybody with any sense knew that the virus didn’t survive in the sun and the wind, but it was probably the healthiest place to go to. It was the first place they closed. And the second thing that they-

Senator Malcolm Roberts (25:58):

Excuse me, David. Oh, sorry, when you finish this point, we’ll go to the ad break.

David Flint (26:03):

Yes. The second thing they ignored is [inaudible 00:26:07] fundamental rule for any decent constitutional system, that is that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They’ve whittled away all of the controls on the politicians. We’ve had just some minister or the premier deciding on a whim, for example, in New South Wales that they’d closed down the construction industry. They didn’t even have medical advice to do that. She closed down the construction industry for two weeks costing one and a quarter billion dollars and it wasn’t justified. And the reason is these regulations, these regulations are now made by a minister in his office in the middle of the night. Whereas once upon at a time, the regulations were to be submitted for audit by the executive council, the government council, even in colonial terms this was done.

David Flint (27:07):

And the second big thing, even more important was the regulations were subject to parliamentary scrutiny, particularly by the upper house and how fortunate we are to have a senate as we have now, unlike the Canadians who have a weak senate, we’ve got a strong senate because we based it on the American senate rather than the appointed Canadian senate, which is just a political stitch up. And that senate and the upper house in the states, except Queensland, which the way the politicians took to work, the upper houses can disallow the regulations. That’s a very important power. And the politicians know they have a sword of Damocles above their heads when this political system works, but they’ve been whittling this away just like the republic. The weakness in-

Senator Malcolm Roberts (28:00):

Thank you very much. We’ll resume this conversation with Professor David Flint after a minute or so of advertisements. Thank you very much, David.

David Flint (28:11):

Certainly.

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What do you miss the most about being able to, or not being able to practise medicine? What the actual, what it all means to you? Because I mean, it’s overall saying, oh, well he’s got to going to go to court. It’ll be handled legally, but it’s much more than that. It’s your whole life, your whole being. What’s the thing you miss the most about not being able to practise medicine?

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Being part of the community in North Sunshine where I grew up, where I went to school. A community is so important. It’s your connection to everybody else. We’re all connected to each other. We’re connected to each other through love. That is the number one binding force of the universe’s love. And the other force is not love. It’s the opposite, it’s destruction. And that’s what we’re facing.

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Dr. Mark Hobart, truly an honour to speak with you.

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Senator Malcolm Roberts (30:18):

Welcome back. This is Senator Malcolm Roberts, and I’ve got a very intriguing and very expert guest, Professor David Flint. And I’m going to give you a summary now before we resume our conversation with David. David pointed out that the media is pushing the two party system and it’s really one party. It’s perpetuating the two party system. At the War Memorial last week, the week before last, I took part in the service that precedes the opening of parliament for the year. And they call on the prime minister and the leader of the opposition. At the church service before parliament started the next day on Tuesday two weeks ago, they called on the leader of the opposition and the prime minister to take readings from the Bible.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (31:08):

And as professor Flint pointed out, the policies are almost identical. They’re so similar. And so we need to understand who controls the parliament. I’m going to be asking Professor Flint that in a minute. During the week, David, I was in Senate estimates and I asked Senator Seselja a simple question that anybody should have been able to answer. He’s in the government, as you know. And we were questioning the CSIRO, and in that segment, I said to him, “Minister, your party, led by the prime minister, won the election in 2019 based largely on one particular issue.” He said that the labour party was in favour of the UN’s 2050 net zero policy that the Liberal Nationals Party was not, it opposed UN 2050 net zero.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (32:04):

“Where is the evidence for that change in policy? What changed in the science?” And David, I have never seen anyone so uncomfortable. He didn’t look me in the eye once. He looked down, head was bowed. He was squirming in his seat. He was just making up words as he went. Then I said to him, “Let’s go back in time. Tell me the basis of your policy.” And the same endless dribble. And he’s a nice man, Senator Seselja, but he was talking absolute nonsense. He could not tell me the basis of the policy that is now gutting air energy sector, stealing land from properties, stealing property rights from farmers, decimating our manufacturing, controlling our water, locking up our resources all on behalf of the UN.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (32:54):

Then I asked him a simple question, policies should be based upon hard data that shows the impact of a certain amount of a specified, quantified impact of carbon dioxide. What it will do to temperatures? Rainfall. I asked him, “Isn’t that fundamental?” And again, more waffle, looking down in the eyes, head bowed, squirming. They haven’t got anything but they get away with it because as Professor Flint said, the media pushes the two party system, which is really one party and the narrative. And then they come up with slogans, as Professor Flint said, doing the right thing. These politicians are lacking practical experience. Very few of them, none of them have worked for a few years at the coalface, as if literally at the coalface underground, lacking practical experience.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (33:43):

I asked a simple question, Professor Flint, who among the politicians came to Canberra to listen to the people at the protest of where every day Australians came out in the hundreds of thousands? I’ll tell you who. Pauline Hanson, Malcolm Roberts, Gerard Rennick, George Christensen. You just pointed out some fabulous points with COVID. They have ignored the fundamentals. They have ignored common sense. They have not looked after the vulnerable. They have betrayed the vulnerable. That’s something I’ve been talking about in the senate and publicly for many months now. Then they tied up or they tied down the rest of the people, the healthy people. They stopped exercise on beach. They stopped fresh air. They stopped access to the sun for vitamin D.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (34:33):

And as you said, Lord Acton said that the power tends to corrupt, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. Regulations being made by the minister, just being introduced in the middle of the night. Professor Flint, one of the things that’s emerged from the response to the virus is that the state and federal governments, labour at state level, liberal at national level have worked together on this. That’s completely opposed to the intent behind our constitution. Isn’t it?

David Flint (35:11):

Yes, we’re supposed to have competition and the states are supposed to take decisions in relation to state interests and the federation in relation to federal interests. But you say right, they do work together. And one of the things the media does, which really irritates me is that they attribute to the politicians the fact that our death rate is lower than that of a number of other countries. This completely ignores the fact that the real reason for that is we are a remote island nation. And like all other remote island nations, we’ll have a lower death rate from this sort of virus. And to attribute that to the politicians is ridiculous.

David Flint (35:57):

But then we get them when they stand up there, the politicians will refer to the medical advice and the journalists just accept that. We never know who the medical advice was from or rarely know it. We never see it so it can’t be tested. We are given glib answers like follow the science. Whereas we know that the scientists are divided on a number of significant issues. And we saw that in relation, for example, to ulcers and Australia went to scientists, received the Nobel Prize because they went against the science view that it was just a disabling condition. It could never be a disease, and they found that it was a disease. And for that, they were given the Nobel Prize. And then you’re told, believe the experts.

David Flint (36:52):

Well, having worked in a law office when I was young, in a law office where you are involved in a case concerning two sides and you’re acting for one side and there’s another people, people acting for the other side, each side has their own experts. Whether they be medical experts or engineering experts. They’re all very well paid. And I’m not saying they act in any way improperly, but they give different views. Experts are divided all the time. This idea that you must believe the experts, which means you must believe the expert that the politicians that are trying to adopt as their view is ridiculous.

David Flint (37:32):

But I think the very worst thing they do, Malcolm, this is this rule against medical treatment, including prophylactic or preventative measures in relation to this virus. It’s the only malady I know of where doctors are instructed to do virtually nothing between somebody catching this virus and really getting a serious case of it, be aware when they start putting them onto a ventilator. But nothing happens in between because they’ve ruled that none of the medical treatments, which have been shown in a number of jurisdiction to be very effective, can be used. And we know also that most of the media won’t mention these things, particularly the social media, because it goes against the interest of big pharmacy.

David Flint (38:25):

And we know that big pharmacy needs under American law, they needed to get approval for their vaccines. They needed to be able to show that there were no preventative measures, which could be taken against the virus. Hence, this campaign to kill off Ivermectin and other. This is not just the magic cure but there a number of things used either to prevent it or to cure it in the early stages. And these proved very effective. Yet in Australia, we’re told that you can have no medical treatment and no serious medical treatment between catching it and really getting a very bad dose when you’re … There’s nothing much they can do if you are in a weak condition. Otherwise, you might get out of it and they put you onto a ventilator.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (39:26):

Well, David, perhaps I could summarise your points again. The media has been silent on the live and the prime minister has repeatedly said, “Australia has no vaccine mandates.” Yet the Morrison, Joyce Federal Government drives the vaccine mandates, and at the very least enables mandates through many means. The Morrison, Joyce government bought 280 million doses of these things. They could easily stop the mandates at the state level by withholding these injections from states that don’t make it optional, but make it compulsory through stealing people’s livelihoods. The federal government indemnified the states. Senator Hanson’s bill could amend that so that the federal government can stop mandated injections.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (40:15):

The states said, this is the fourth point I’m making, the states say that the vaccine mandates are in line with the unconstitutional so-called national cabinet that the prime minister leads. The prime minister, as you’ve just pointed out, his government withdrew the proven, safe, effective, affordable treatment using Ivermectin and various other drugs. And it’s significant, Professor Flint, that you can freely mention Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and alternative natural treatments on this TNT Radio station. But you can’t mention it on any other network apart from podcasts. You can’t mention it on social media without being banned.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (40:58):

The federal government health department provides the data and systems that the state’s access to enforce the mandates. The federal government mandated vaccines in aged care workers. The federal government mandated vaccines in the Australian electoral commission poll workers. They’re mandating it in some defence personnel to inject. They drove the employers to mandate injections, BHP, for example, and they funded ridiculous policies by the premiers of the states. And yet, despite all these things showing completely that the states could not have mandated injections without federal government enabling them to do so, supporting them to do so, the prime minister of this country has repeatedly lied to the people.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (41:47):

“Australia has no vaccine mandates,” he says. That doesn’t get reported in the media, or if it does, it’s done in a positive way that the prime minister says that. And yet at the rally last weekend in Canberra, hundreds of thousands of people were walking up and they were saying he’s a liar. The prime minister is a liar. So we come back to government control and that is only one on side controls the media, and that’s the money side, the corporate side. Professor Flint, do they also control the government?

David Flint (42:25):

Well, I think they have a very strong power over the government. It’s in the interest of government to follow what is in the interest of big pharmacy it seems. You can only judge politicians by their results when they’re in government, not what they say. For example, in education, for example, they say that they’re very interested in children’s education, but the fact is that we know that there’s a very strong Marxist influence in education departments. We know that notwithstanding the increase in funding, which I think is about 40% increase since that was introduced, we know that standards in Australia have fallen more than any other OECD country except perhaps Finland.

David Flint (43:22):

So the more money we’re putting in, the standards are falling and that’s because our education departments are not allowing or not encouraging the teaching of children in the really important disciplines. They’re filling their minds with all sorts of propaganda and Marxist rubbish. Their obsessions, for example, you get some new dogma for example, about gender fluidity or something like that. And that becomes an important issue as we saw in relation to the religious legislation. But as you say, there’s this obsession with vaccines as though it’s the only thing which should be followed. And that’s where the money is. That’s where the very big funds are being made by big pharmacy, instead of things which should be associated with vaccines.

David Flint (44:12):

For example, early treatment, that should be the first thing that they should be following because that would’ve saved lives in relation to the vulnerable. And it’s something which I don’t think we should be considering seriously for children, given that these only have a temporary authorization. We don’t know the long term consequences of some of the things which are being put into children’s bodies. They’re very serious things, which are being done. And the national cabinet has gone along with what a really communist solutions that is lockdowns. Lockdowns don’t work. They regiment the people even more, but they certainly have had no effect in relation to getting rid of the virus because they don’t get rid of the virus. And they’ve resulted in more deaths in Victoria, which had the most serious lockdowns, had more deaths among people from suffering from the virus. But you are so right-

Senator Malcolm Roberts (45:17):

Yeah, go ahead.

David Flint (45:17):

Certainly.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (45:20):

I’d like to interrupt to summarise what you’ve said before getting onto the solutions. Because I know you’re a man of solutions. So let me just summarise what you’ve just said. The media is culpable for serious damage, serious problems in our community. Medicine, it’s enabled deaths because it doesn’t hold the government accountable for its complete obsession with unproven injections and reliance on them. Greg Hunt, the federal health minister has said, “The world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial. These drugs, these injections are experimental. It’s a trial. And we are now talking about injecting them into kids without any assessment of long term consequences.”

Senator Malcolm Roberts (46:06):

In the United States you also mentioned that a lot of this is driven by money. In the United States, 70% of American advertising in the media is funded by big pharma. And yet, as you rightly pointed out, the obsession is leading to deaths through the mismanagement of COVID and the application of experimental injections. You pointed out the damage to our educational sector, the 40% collapse in measured outcomes. And yet the manipulation of kids growing at adulthood, children, I should say. You mentioned the early treatment that’s proven affordable, safe, successful around the world. And you also mentioned that lockdowns are effectively a communist solution.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (46:59):

Journalism, Professor Flint, over the decades, journalists have fought for freedom to tell the story and rights to privacy of sources. Yet, they’ve shown no regard for the freedoms and privacies of the people as you just pointed out. Yet, their duty is to provide, freely tell both sides of the story with accuracy and balance. Who holds them to account? And where do we go to from here? How do journalists restore their reputation? Because at the moment they’re feeding on each other and the people are watching them destroy themselves. But we do need a strong, solid press, don’t we? So what do we have to do now? What are the solutions?

David Flint (47:35):

Well, the solutions I think, are by going to those outlets such as this station where the truth is being presented. That is our best solution. I would not recommend the regulation. You can’t have the regulation of the press because they’re free. And there is some protection from defamation laws, but that only relates to individual reputation and not reputation of institutions and things such as early medical treatment, which is important. So we have the power. We have the power to deal with the media and we have the power to put the right politicians in office. And this is something which Australians must seriously do. They did that in America with President Trump, they got a man in who was obviously going, from what he promised, was going to change the direction of the United States.

David Flint (48:36):

And this had a magnificent effect because the Republican Party is so open in the way in which it pre-selects. And it doesn’t restrict pre-selection to even members of the party, any registered supporter of the party can vote in those pre-selections, which gives tremendous power to people in America. We don’t have that, but we can choose people from other parties or at least give our first preferences to people like yourself. Now, you One Nation, New AP parties, which are talking about this, what you said also about the federal government, I’d like to comment on that briefly.

David Flint (49:18):

The federal government had the power to stop mandated vaccines. And you were quite right, the legislation that you proposed, I think One Nation introduced legislation to that effect that I think was within power. The commonwealth has the power to move in relation to quarantines. It can occupy the field. And that’s the core part of the management of vaccines, the control of quarantines. And I think that the commonwealth should have continued in that first case concerning the West Australian border. It should not have allowed the states to close off their borders, locking down whole states that achieved nothing in relation to controlling the virus.

David Flint (50:08):

And it was most inappropriate, in relation to Australia. The whole real economy should have continued. As you rightly have pointed out in the past, it’s not the politicians who are imposing this sort of thing, lockdowns and so on, who suffer. It’s the people who lose their jobs. It’s the people who lose their businesses. The people who are tied up, they’ve put their savings into some business quite often. They’ve mortgaged their house. And an enormous number of people have been ruined by the activities of the government, who’s only just beginning to start again.

David Flint (50:45):

There was no need to close down vast parts of the economy in Australia to stop this disease. What they should have done was looked after the vulnerable. What they should have done was encouraged early measures and preventative measures, prophylactic measures. If they’d done those things, as the media should have been calling on them to do, we would’ve been in a better situation than we are today. And we wouldn’t have this massive debt, which is going to be carried by the next generation of Australians.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (51:18):

So I’m going to have to summarise now before we end the show, because I wanted to do a summary. You’ve raised some marvellous points. The solutions you’ve said are up to the people. The market, choose the media well. We have a choice as to which media we watch. The media is sweating on that. We see Joe Rogan topping the media ratings in the United States with 11.5 million views of one of his podcasts with Robert Malone. The nearest competitor was Fox News with 3.5 million views. That’s a long way behind. CNN, the propaganda experts in America, around about 800,000 views [inaudible 00:51:59]. Don’t have regulation, that just gives more control to the globalists and to the government.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (52:04):

It’s up to the people through media choice and through political choice at votes. We have the power, you said, Professor Flint. I make a note that pre-selection in the liberal party now on New South Wales is becoming just like labour, fictionally written. You’ve pointed out that the commonwealth government has the power, it just hasn’t exercised it. And you’ve pointed out something that I’ve said repeatedly in the senate, people are paying the price for police stupidity.

Senator Malcolm Roberts (52:30):

The governments and the politicians make the mistakes regardless with no responsibility, and the people pay the price. For goodness sake, people of Australia, wake up. Choose who you listen to in the media with your wallet, follow and vote for politicians who work for you, serve you, and give your preferences at accordingly. Professor David Flint, thank you very much again for yet another wonderful session. I love your practicality, your common sense, your good sense. Thank you so much.

The mainstream media tries to falsely paint anti-mandate protesters as extremists. Its the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation’s job to monitor people who are actually violent extremists. They told me what we already know. Protest and political dissent against mandates is completely lawful and it is only a small fringe element who take advantage of the whole group to push violence. The overwhelming majority of anti-mandate protesters are law-abiding peaceful people.

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Thank you very much Senator Keneally. Senator Roberts.

Thank you, Chair. And thank you all for appearing today. Recent public statements from you indicate ongoing issues of interference by foreign nationals in Australia, including attempts to influence the electoral process. Is this considered to be an ongoing threat from that identified foreign power?

As I said, in my threat assessment centre there are multiple countries. So this threat is real. It happens at all levels of government, local, state and federal. And that threat continues. In fact, espionage and foreign interference is now supplanted terrorism as our country’s principle security concern. And that’s not to take away from the terrorism threat.

Are the identified risks. Well, you just told us they’re serious, very serious.

They are.

Right throughout all levels. From your public, changing the topic slightly. From your public statements, why are so many everyday Australians opposed to mandated COVID-19 vaccinations? They’re opposed to the mandating, not to the vaccinations necessarily. Why are they being monitored?

Well, that’s not my remit. That’s nothing to do with me in terms of whether people are opposed to mandates or want to get vaccinated. That’s not a violent extremism problem that doesn’t fit within my head security. So we don’t monitor or follow those people. If those people also happen to be violent extremists promoting communal violence or politically motivated violence then they would get my full attention. But if they’re not in that category as I said in my speech last week,

“The vast majority of these protestors we’re seeing at the moment are not violent and they’re not violent extremists.”

Mike Burgess, Director General of Security Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, Senate Estimates 14 February 2022

That’s very pleasing to hear that confirms pretty much exactly what the AFP commissioner said just an hour or so ago. But the press has perhaps taken a slant on that. So thank you for clarifying that. And having been at the protests on Saturday, people are just excellent. Why would you consider? Okay. You’ve eliminated that. You said in your recent security annual threat assessment that you do not have a problem with people holding opinions. And would only intervene when these opinions involve promoting violence. You’ve just confirmed that again. What evidence links everyday Australians exercising their right to peaceful protests to being considered domestic terror extremists? I take it that’s a media exaggeration.

Well no, in terms of protest protests, its lawful public dissent is totally appropriate and right for people to do, but actually if people are preparing for or advocating acts of violence then they do fall into my agency’s remit and we will watch them carefully to understand what they’re up to and with our police partners work to stop them from harming Australians.

Yeah. There is a small element just about every group who takes advantage of the group.

There certainly is.

Thank you. No, I don’t need to answer… ask the seventh question. Everything’s covered. Thank you, Chair.

Thank you very much, Senator Roberts.

Pilots are restricted from flight 24 hours after any vaccine. I want to know if there has been any occasions where an air safety incident has been reported connected to a vaccine adverse event.

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Terrific, thank you. Senator Roberts has some questions.

[Roberts] Thank you, Chair. Thank you for appearing here tonight. For the period, 1st of July, 2020, to the current date, could you please provide on notice a report detailing all aviation safety incidents, where COVID and or a COVID vaccination is mentioned as a contributing factor?

We would have to take that on notice, senator.

[Roberts] Of course. Yeah. Secondly, are there practises in place to ensure that air crew do not fly immediately after a COVID vaccination or booster? And if so, what are they, and why were they determined to be necessary?

Senator, I’m not aware of any restrictions.

[Man] Senator Andrea is much the acting executive. Take that off. Lot easier. Andrea’s, much the acting executive manager for the stakeholder engagement division and aviation medicine sits within that portfolio. The way we treat vaccination for COVID is the same as any other vaccination. So it’s got a 24 hour exclusion period after you vaccinated.

[Roberts] Thank you. Thirdly, we’re informed that there was an incident where the crew were informed by flight crew, where there was an incident where the crew of a commercial aircraft turned off fuel to both engines during flight. We’re informed that a potential factor in this incident was COVID vaccination. You know, brain fog that sometimes comes. Please provide, can you please provide full details of any incident resembling this description and provide full details of the investigation report and recommendations on notice.

And that one might actually be better directed at the Australian transport safety bureau as well, but we’ll see what we can find at our end as well.

[Roberts] Have there been any similar incidents where the reported cause was a TIA, or a transient ischemic attack, a minor stroke?

Senator, we haven’t had any incidents reported to us of that nature at all, in relation to COVID vaccination. We’ll check on notice but to my knowledge, we’ve had no incidents reported to us.

[Roberts] How long after having had a COVID 19 or a COVID 19 vaccine are air crew allowed to pilot a commercial aircraft? I’d take it 24 hours after vaccine, what about after COVID?

So after COVID, it’s treated in the same way as any illnesses. So it’s up to the pilot to assess whether they’re impaired or not. And if the impairment goes for more than seven days then they’re required to see a medical examiner to clear them back to line and that’s that’s standard for any kind of illness.

[Roberts] Thank you, I appreciate your direct answers. That’s it, Chair.

Dear Mr President 

This letter is written further to the incident in the senate last week when Senator Andrew McLachlan was Acting Deputy President and undertook to report the incident to you and expected your further clarification on the wearing of masks in the senate. 

Following a request from Senator McKim I wore a mask in the senate chamber as a courtesy to Senator Steele-John, who Senator McKim said feels uncomfortable due to an immune condition. I did this as a courtesy to Senator Steele-John’s concerns, perceptions and feelings, and not on any scientific basis. 

I have written twice to the Queensland Premier and Health Minister asking for scientific proof of the effectiveness of masks. I have written to the ACT Chief Minister making the same request. None have provided evidence of the effectiveness of and need for masks. There is no randomised controlled trial study that demonstrates masks, especially the cloth masks that some senators wear, are effective in stopping transmission of COVID-19 virus. 

Until someone provides the necessary empirical scientific data as evidence to prove the basis for wearing masks, Senators and indeed all Australians should not be required to wear them. 

Wearing a mask can lead to headaches, discomfort and safety hazards and needlessly restricts breathing. 

I direct you to pages 52 and 53 (page 3 of attachment 5) of the attached copy of my letter to the Prime Minister and Queensland Premier and attachments thereto. 

Page 53 refers broadly to New Mexico Senator and physician Dr Greg Schmedes, who criticises America’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for its contradictory and sloppy note entitled “Science Brief: Community Use of Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2”. The contradictions and absurdities abound within the CDC’s note. 

Adam Creighton is a data-driven, clear-thinking economist and writer, who presents key scientific conclusions about masks in his thorough article on Monday 14 February 2022. In The futility of mandatory masking now ripped bare (theaustralian.com.au) Creighton cites scientific authorities and practical, everyday examples as evidence for his clear conclusions. 

Despite the resounding lack of supportive scientific evidence and despite the availability of scientific studies not supporting the wearing of masks, they have been ordered in some nations and states/provinces. Masks have been used as a form of conditioning people to be fearful and obedient. Masks have been successfully used to ingrain fear and as such, have the hallmark of terrorism. 

Capricious, malicious and/or unscientific orders often lead to divisiveness, as seen in the abusive and disrespectful behaviour of Greens senators and of Senator Lambie, who personally abused Senator Rennick last Thursday in the Senate. Senator Rennick had no intention of harming anyone and did not harm anyone. The needlessly aggressive, emotionally driven comments directed to Senator Rennick from some Greens senators and from Senator Lambie in the chamber are disrespectful to a properly elected senator representing millions of Australians and seemed designed to intimidate rather than explain and justify those who disagreed with Senator Rennick. Such abuse is disrespectful to the people of Australia and confirm a lack of scientific data. 

This highlights and reinforces yet again the way unscientific and unfounded restrictions in the name of COVID-19, often politically driven, are divisive. 

Sadly, this is typical of many issues, debates, policies and decisions made in our parliament and that are not based on objective, reliable empirical scientific data. 

Basing positions, decisions, bills and laws on feelings not on solid scientific data, on unfounded opinions not data, on media headlines not data, on advocacy pursuing personal agenda not on data, all lead to needless conflict and wasted resources. Illogical decisions cause increased costs for which the people ultimately pay. Irrationality and/or dishonesty are no basis for making laws or advocating policy. 

Those who believe that masks provide protection, however minimal, can choose to wear masks and in so doing feel protected regardless of the choices other people make. 

I request that the implicit expectation to wear masks be removed, unless in your deliberations, you can find and provide solid scientific evidence of a mask’s effectiveness based on objective empirical data within a logical scientific framework proving cause-and-effect. 

For transparency I have copied in all Senators named in this letter. 

Yours sincerely 

Malcolm Roberts 

Senator for Queensland 

You can read more about our response to COVID in our dedicated COVID section, here.

There has been many attempts to paint anti-mandate protesters as extremists. It’s not true and even the Federal Police have said so. At the protest some people were concerned about the appearance of possible Long Range Acoustic Devices (LRAD) and whether they were used or not. We didn’t get an answer back straight away but the police will have to give me an answer on notice.

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[Senator Keneally] Yeah, at this point.

[Speaker] Thanks Senator Keneally. I ask Senator Roberts, who’s just got a couple of minutes of questions.

Thank you. And Mr Kershaw is it?

[Kershaw] Kershaw, yeah.

Thank you all for appearing today, and before I ask my questions, I just want to thank you for the work you do and your AFP and work. And also the liaison with the State Police in Queensland and the ACT. I was at the protest; very proud of the behaviour of the people and so pleased that, and I agree with you, those groups were infiltrated by a couple of people, and that’s very small, so I appreciate that. Quickly, these questions are coming from a constituent: In relation to the Convoy to Canberra protest activity at Parliament House just last weekend, pictures of the day appear to show some types of devices at the front of Parliament House in between the entry to Parliament and Parliament lawns where the protest was in fact occurring. Can you confirm whether the AFP had long-range acoustic devices at Parliament House on Saturday?

That would be something that is our police methodology, which we would have to look at some sort of public interest immunity claim, Senator.

Is there any, surely it’s in the public interest to know whether or not they were there, without delving too much into it?

If I could take that on notice, I’d have to get advice.

Okay. I’d be happy. I understand. I’d be happy for that. And also, if you could tell us what type they were, please.

Sure.

And can you confirm whether or not they were used at any point?

Sure.

Thank you very much. And thank you, Chair.

It’s a sad day when any politician, whose career and life is predominantly political, thinks that his narrow world perspective has any resonance with the Australian people at large.

The good order of the Australian community requires debate and dissent, compliance and cohesion, and, most of all, robustness and honesty, not the squasing of dissenting views.

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I speak as a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia. It’s a matter of urgency that our elected parliamentary representatives are increasingly not a reflection of the typical, everyday Australian. It’s fundamental to our Australian democracy that people can demonstrate against incursions of their freedoms. I applaud any politician who has the guts, the integrity and the resolve to make a stand for the people, even if it is against their party line.

Senator Chisholm has done well to show his true self in this MOU, where he believes that only good order should reign at the expense of individual voices. Senator Chisholm clearly believes politicians ought not to use their public profile and status to represent the deep concerns of the people. Does Senator Chisholm suggest politicians use their high profile and status to be solely compliant and silent? I believe that politicians have a duty to listen to our consciences and speak out when we believe something is not in the interests of the Australian people. Senator Chisholm’s urgency motion says more about his narrow Labor perspective on life than it does about the topic or about the Australian people. Personally, I’m proud to stand beside anyone who has the courage of their convictions and who is brave enough to take their unpopular stand and risk ridicule for their beliefs. I admire anyone, particularly politicians, who have not lost sight of the Australian people, our democracy, our values or our freedoms and who will stand with the people regardless of the party line. I have done so and will proudly continue to do so.

Senators Rennick and Antic, and Mr George Christensen and Mr Craig Kelly, have the mettle to stand for a broader Australia. I support their efforts to question, expose and call out the deliberate misuse and abuse of science—the fraudulent use of science—as a basis for lockdowns and vaccine mandates. Senator Chisholm’s motion has demonstrated his belief that there should be only one world view held by all, and Senator Chisholm will decide what that view is no matter how far removed this groupthink is from how Australians see ourselves. The good order of the Australian community requires debate and dissent, compliance and cohesion, and, most of all, robustness and honesty. Our social and democratic institutions—failing, as they are, to protect the rights and freedoms of the people—must be robust enough to embrace a debate from the people and from politicians who represent them.

Why is there low, and declining, trust in MPs? Here is a quote from someone today: ‘Declining trust in our institutions is not the problem. It is the solution.’ We need to have less of the institutions. It’s a sad day when any politician, whose career and life is predominantly political, thinks that his narrow world perspective has any resonance with the Australian people at large. Senators Rennick and Antic, and Mr Christensen, are fighting for the people because they themselves are of the people, having carved out independent careers from the city to the land, facing uncertainties along the way. Senator Hanson and I have this same grounding in real life. From their actions these representatives, like us, feel what the people are feeling. They know, as One Nation knows, that unnecessary lockdowns, debilitating and inhuman vaccine mandates, and an absence of longitudinal testing on vaccines is just not good enough. They know that the people deserve better and are willing to stand up for what is right.

They also talk about ivermectin—a proven, safe, effective, affordable and accessible treatment that has stopped COVID wherever it has been used properly. The government falls silent on it and actually withdrew that from the people. The real matter of urgency here is that too many Labor, Liberal, National and Greens politicians do not have the courage to stand against this attack on our freedom and basic human rights. Too many in this place stand meek and silent while businesses fail and while everyday Australians are coerced into a repeated, unproven medical experimental procedure in order to feed their families. It’s time that gutless, groupthink politicians are consigned to the biowaste bin of history.

The world view which our Parliament now advances has the fundamental assumption that people cannot be trusted to behave in the best interests of their community and so must be treated as convicts not citizens. The time for people to trust the government is over, it is now time for the government to trust the people. This, the people’s house of Parliament, must stand in defence of the values that forged this country.

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Mr President I speak as a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia.

It is now 7 months since I delivered a speech reminding Senators and those listening at home of the significance of our flag.

A flag that flies proudly above our parliament, on a strong support that stands equally above the Senate and the House of Representatives.

Reminding all of us, in both chambers, we serve the people.

We do not serve large banking corporations, we do not serve trade unions that are now a business of their own, devoid of any relevance to their members, and we certainly do not serve foreign pharmaceutical companies.

For 7 months I have been ending my speeches with the reminder that we have one flag, we are one community and we are one nation.

In this time of great division in our beautiful country, it is becoming harder and harder to live up to the principle that we are one nation.

We must, must put aside division, and accept competing viewpoints.

On Monday I went outside to address a group of everyday Australians who have come to Canberra to protest the policies of this Parliament.

They quite rightly expected to be able to speak to their elected representatives to share their concerns, and so I did my job and I spoke with them.

The results were to be honest, mixed.

I heard many different opinions and I saw many different flags.

It is obvious to me that there are some who are misleading and inflaming opinion to gain power for themselves.

One Nation will continue to take positions that are based on facts not false, manufactured outrage.

If those of us who oppose tyranny are unable to unite amongst ourselves, how can we win public opinion.

And win we must.

Mr President 200 years ago a judge by the name of Lord Woodhouse-lee made an astute observation. Quote:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. 

After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result democracy collapses because loose fiscal policy is always followed by a dictatorship”

For many years I considered human nature acts out of self-interest not just for oneself but for those we love – our family and community.

Willingly imposing a dictatorship on those we love seemed contrary to human nature.

Surely I thought, there would be a point where the public would realise we were on a path to dictatorship and change direction.

To change our direction we must be unified, we must be tolerant and forgiving.

Our future is not one of retribution, anger and hate.

Our future must be unity, forgiveness, love and strength. These are the qualities that create a community.

Those assembled outside today have reached their point of awareness.

The millions who have attended freedom rallies around Australia have also reached their point of awareness.

Sadly this Parliament has not.

I have never been more nervous for the future of this beautiful country than I am right now.

It is clear we may be approaching the end days of democracy as predicted 200 years ago.

We are witnessing the controlled demolition of not just our treasury and our democracy, but our community.

We are on a path to a soft dictatorship ‘for our own good’.

Nothing about this is for our own good.

Our grandparents enjoyed abundance, freedom and personal sovereignty – these things do not feature in the conversation being advanced by this Parliament.

Husband has been turned against wife, parent against child, sibling against another.

Our young are being seduced into a world of selfish hedonism that begets apathy towards family and community.

Women are being erased, replaced with offensive language such as uterus owner and birthing parent. Forced to compete against biological men to make clear their new debased status afforded them by the Brave New World of globalist groupthink.

This is just evil.

Government dependence is treated as a right – as though it were somehow noble to live off the hard work of others.

We are being led into a world where the middle class no longer exists, only a financial elite and their ‘Nomenklatura’ – a pampered and privileged administrative class, tasked with carrying out the instructions of the elites.

High paid corporate and diplomatic ‘thank-you jobs’ are clearly on offer to politicians who have expended their political capital implement globalism.

Meanwhile everyday Australians have no such escape.

Life for so many, including those I met with on Monday, means working harder and going backward.

During COVID the world’s richest billionaires have seen their wealth increase by $3 trillion, while the wealth of citizens has gone backward by that same amount.

COVID has represented the largest transfer of wealth in human history.

Everyday Australians have less while billionaires have more.

This Parliament is responsible for destroying the Australian economy, destroying small business, destroying hope.

The media, major pharmaceutical companies, banks, political donors and health bureaucrats have the same owners – Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street Capital, amongst others.

These funds invest the wealth of the world’s richest crony capitalists, and now control wealth equal to one third of the world’s GDP – $25 trillion USD.

In Australia this wealth has been invested to create controlling interests in Australia’s largest companies – retailers, banks, media and pharmaceutical companies.

As a result crony capitalists now control Australia.

Under this Parliament a future awaits everyday Australians that is nothing more than 18th century feudalism with a public relations budget.  

What never gets mentioned is that democracy is not part of this “reset”

What awaits is something the UN calls ‘stakeholder governance’.

Unelected, unrepresentative Corporations and their nomenklatura will decide how we live our lives.

Parliament will be reduced to debating and passing resolutions that have no legal standing.

This is exactly how the European Parliament works now.

The EU Parliament is analogous to putting a plastic steering wheel on the back of the driver’s seat of the family car so your kids think they are driving.

This is our future under the globalist philosophy that now dictates the actions of the Liberals, the Nationals, the Greens and the ALP.

We the people are not in control, we are allowed to feel we are in control.

When it comes to COVID there is no ‘sitting this one out’

Recent events have made it clear everyday Australians do not have to be interested in politics for politics to be interested in them.

During COVID, small businesses who carried on with running their business the way they always have, serving their communities, not discriminating on the basis of race, religion or medical status are, under COVID measures, being sent broke and their owners fined or worse, arrested.

Politics came for them.

Shortly Australians must decide.

Do you remain prisoners in your cities, states and now in quarantine camps?

Do you remain prisoners of media-driven fear?

Or do you forge a path of freedom born of personal responsibility and inclusion?

Inclusion. It is ironic how that word has been reinvented to mean the majority accepting the viewpoint of a small and noisy minority, as a device to move society further and further towards a single world view.

Senator Chisholm moved a motion in support of doing that only yesterday.

With his matter of urgency, Senator Chisholm was kind enough to show us where the ALP would take Australia – for public order, the Senator said, dissent must be oppressed.

The world view, which our Parliament now advances has the fundamental assumption that people cannot be trusted to behave in the best interests of their community and so must be treated as convicts not citizens.

Robbed of free choice and implicit in that, robbed of freedom itself.

Freedom is now written in inverted commas by our media, who are promoting an agenda of hatred and division on behalf of their billionaire owners.

The ABC are compliant because totalitarianism excites the political left, tyranny and socialism go together like the words ‘rare’ and ‘side-effects’.

Inseparable, relentless, evil.

Christmas and Easter, Australia Day and Anzac Day, and let’s not forget fathers day, had to be extinguished because they offer a chance to renew the bonds that unite us as a family, as a community and a nation.

The time for people to trust the government is over, it is now time for the government to trust the people.

This, the people’s house of Parliament, must stand in defence of the values that forged this country.

The war on family, on community and Christianity must end in this sitting.

For we will be convicts no more.

We have one flag, we are one community, we are one nation.                 

On the second of February I marched in solidarity with teachers, firies, nurses, miners and veterans opposed to the vaccine mandates through Brisbane to Queensland Parliament where I addressed the crowd. This is my speech at that rally.

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What one word captures what Dan said? Apart from freedom. Why do you do your jobs? Because we care. Emergency services people care, it doesn’t matter if it’s policemen, ambulance men and women, the nurses, doctors, teachers, aged care, NDIS.

Pathology.

Pathology, there you go. Everyone cares, and it really comes through. These policemen here, they care, and they… By the way they’re saying, “Keep going.” But I- I just wanna reassure you, that’s my main objective today, first of all, let’s recognise that there are people here who are never going to get injected, I’m one of them. And there are many here. But I don’t get penalised in parliament, you do, because you’re not in Parliament. But you elect the representatives who will represent you in parliament. That’s what we need to remember, that’s the first thing. The second thing is, there are lots of people who have been voluntarily injected, some want it, that’s their choice, I’m fine with that. And then there are many people, and they support us here, who have been injected against their will. So, we might be getting hammered mate, but they are getting doubly hammered. And now their kids are staring down the gun barrel.

Boo!

So, we’ve all heard about the emergency services people who were heroes just 12 months ago, and are now villains. We know that… Well, last time when we got here, Dan and I went up to the security and said, “Could we see Annastacia Palaszczuk or the Health Minister?” They said they will come down, no one came down. The premier is not here today, but I wrote a letter last time, requesting a meeting with emergency services people and the premier. I got a reply, one of few replies from premier, she didn’t mention anything about a meeting, not a thing.

Did she mention anything about integrity?

No . Well, we’re coming to that. The next thing I wanna reassure you with, is that we will continue to support you, Pauline and I. We will continue to support you, we will oppose all government legislation in the Federal Parliament, until freedom is restored. And I wanna acknowledge, and support, and admire, Gerard Rennick, George Christensen, Craig Kelly, Alex Antic, for backing us. They cop a lot of flak, but they’re backing us. And they’re doing it on their own within the party. The next thing I wanna mention is, exactly what this gentlemen here said, your dad, Elena, you’ve done a good job mate. This issue highlights the corruption. The State Government, is now beset with accusations of corruption. As a Senator in Federal Parliament, Pauline and I, tried to negotiate an inquiry into the misuse of federal funding after disasters in this State. The Labor Party opposed it, the Greens opposed it. We had an agreement with the government that they would support it and I’d be chair of it, and then we’d dive into the misuse of these federal funds. And at the last minute, I believe the government was honest on this occasion, but at the last minute two Queensland senators, Matt Canavan and James McGrath, threatened to cross the floor and vote against the government, so, the government caved and voted against the inquiry into the misuse of taxpayer’s money. This is another abuse of taxpayer money, they’re transferring $8.3 billion out of our pockets as taxpayers to big pharma. That’s all it’s about apart from control, it’s about money and control. And what we’ve got to remember, is all the instances of hypocrisy in the last two years. The instances of contradicting the facts, the instances of policies and mandates that are not based in fact and go against fact. We’ve got to remember all the lies, we’ve got to remember the corruption. We’ve got to remember who’s getting the money and who’s getting control. This is not about controlling a virus, if they wanted to do that, they could have passed- They could have allowed ivermectin to continue to be used. They could have used proper testing, tracing, quarantine, like Taiwan’s done, and the best in the world. But there is no pandemic of deaths, this is about coercion and control, and it’s about money for big companies. So, what we need to do is, everyone here, including me, is responsible for this. Because we have voted either Liberal or Labor forever. They take us for granted. And parliaments these days do not hold governments accountable, they don’t serve the people, they work for the parties, and their power brokers, and their major sponsors and donors. So, who changes that?

We do.

We do. Who changes it? We do. So, when you vote in the next elections, state or federal, think about that. Put the majors last, put the minor parties first, you know which one I’d prefer, but you vote according to what you think, and you allocate preferences according to what you think. Don’t believe the bullshit from the major parties, they do not allocate preferences, you do. When you get a how-to-vote card, identify the parties, then screw it up and put the parties where you want. But above all, vote for strength of character in candidates, policies, and values. So, I’ll just remind you of that. And I wanna congratulate Matt here, because he’s come up with a little flyer, www.standupandvote.com.au. It’s about educating people on how to vote. There he is there. One last thing, for those of you who think this is the end game, no, it is not. My office stopped the Cash Ban bill, with the help of Pauline Hanson, and we eventually converted even the dopes in the Labor Party in Federal Parliament, and the Greens and the minor parties, and the independents, to vote against the Cash Ban Bill, we kept cash. Cash is extremely important, ’cause the moment you haven’t got an option for cash, they control every transaction that you enter into, everything. So, we squashed the Cash Ban Bill, we also are on top… We’re not on top at all about this COVID Bill, but we’ve got the issues in public, and people know. The real end game here, is the Digital Identity Bill.

Yes.

Oh, I’m so pleased to hear people understand it. That is the real game, they will control everything you do. That’s what they’re using it for. We’re fighting it now, we’ve got a series of seven videos coming out, the first one went out yesterday, please watch them and educate yourselves about that. That is the end game, to control your life, control your life, control your life. That’s all they want. Every single electronic transaction, all your medical data, gets fed into a corporation and sold overseas. And then if you want your medical data, you pay for it, to get it. That’s the way this Federal Government is going, and Albanese backs it.

Now, that’s lazy.

So, just be mindful of that, this is extremely important. In 20 years time, your kids and grandkids will look back and say, “Thank you very much for having the courage to stand up.” Because like this fella and this lady, we care, we all care. Thank you.

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Well hello, Maryborough. Thank you so much for for being here. You’re not just here for us, you’re here, we’re here for Australia.

[Crowd] Yes.

The key issue, the key issue in this country and the mismanagement of this virus is one word, control. They are not trying to control the virus. They’ve had two damn years, and now they’re in panic. Two years, they have not controlled the virus, what have they controlled?

[Crowd] Us.

Exactly, us, the people. They’re supposed to serve us, instead we’re serving them. This is crap and it needs to be called out. I wanna thank the organisers, what an amazing job you’re doing. I wanna thank everyone for being here. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I wanna acknowledge my empathy for the people who’ve been affected by the floods. We were gonna be here a couple of weeks ago, of course it didn’t happen. So I empathise with you, I’ve helped clean up flood-ravaged communities in Ipswich twice now, and it’s heartbreaking. So my heart goes out to your families, businesses, just devastated. What else I wanna say to people, I know many of you are injected here. I know many of you are injected against your will, that is coercion, that is not a democracy. And I empathise with you as well because I know you detest what they’ve done to you. But when you’ve got a choice between feeding your kids, or getting an injection, you’re gonna go in favour of feeding the kids. And that is totally wrong. It is inhuman, it is immoral, it is dishonest, it is disgusting. But that is what we’re facing in this country. Anybody heard of Robert F. Kennedy Jr? Yes, cheer for him. Robert F. Kennedy Jr is a yank, but he’s wonderful. He’s dumped the bucket on Fauci, He’s dumped the bucket on the administration in Washington, and inadvertently he has dumped a bucket on the Therapeutic Goods Administration in this country. Anthony Fauci, after reading this book and the facts that Robert Kennedy crams in here, Anthony Fauci is a genocidal maniac.

[Crowd] Yes.

A genocidal maniac. And our government is little better because they have not done the testing on this vaccines, not at all. And yet they’ve injected it into the people, and they’ve done it under coercion, that is inhuman stuff. What I wanna do now, is just leave you with some facts. I’ve got Shein keeping an eye on the time, because I wanna pay respect to the other people who are gonna follow me. But I wanna just give you a few facts, I’ll ask you if you think this is unusual. Robert F. Kennedy says, “This is the fist time in history, where the young have been sacrificed for the elderly.” That goes against everything to do with the animal kingdom and the human civilization. It is always the oldest sacrifice for the young, but there’s not needing to sacrifice the old because there are proven cures around, proven cures. The old are not being managed properly. The second thing, this is the first time in Australia’s history, where a government has knowingly injected healthy people with a toxin that is killing them, and that is causing serious adverse effects by the tens of thousands in this country alone. 60,000 people have died in Europe and in America from these injections yet the government is mandating them. The health minister Greg Hunt has said, “The world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial.” Trial, experimental, forced into you, rubbish. It’s a trial and yet they’re forcing it into people. No wonder we’re so damn pissed off. This is the third time, the third. This is the first time in our country’s history, when governments have prevented access to a safe, proven, affordable, accessible drug, that cures COVID. This is the first time they have withheld that from people. I’ve had prescriptions for ivermectin, and I couldn’t get them filled by the bloody chemist. Not the chemists fault, the government, the Therapeutic Goods Administration. And Robert F. Kennedy details why. Because if we had ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine freely available, there would be no demand for these vaccines. Ivermectin is proven. So the government has withheld something from us that is proven. The vaccines as I’ve said, are not tested. They have been approved in this country based on a literature review, a literature review. And Kennedy documents that Pfizer abandoned it’s testing of its drug, it’s vaccine, it’s injection, because they were killing too many people, so they had to end the trial, to end with the control study, the control group. They stopped it because it was killing people, So now they’re injecting it into people all around the world. This is the first time that we’ve had a control emergency declaration for two years. They’re meant to be in place for months, weeks. Annastacia Palaszczuk, Scott Morrison. Scott Morrison has said, they have said, “We need to live with a virus.” If we’ve got to live with a virus, how the hell Would there be an emergency declaration? And yet that is a whole basis for this scam. Their premiers are treating human rights and freedom as something to be withdrawn at their will. And given back to us when we’re on our feet begging. That’s the first time that’s happened. First time that governments are bypassing informed consent and replacing it with coercion. Who’s a nurse here? Whadya start talking to her, uh, Jody Jody was telling me, she spends her time as a nurse making sure of informed consent. And now she’s just bypassed it with her. This goes back 3000 years to the Greeks. It’s fundamental. And it’s being bypassed. Doctors and nurses, as Chris Loft said, have been threatened with de-registration for giving patients advice or reporting deaths and adverse effects. Doing their job and losing their livelihoods, struck off the list. Health professionals, whoa, wait for this one. Health professionals stood down at a time when the premier says, “All hands are needed on deck because the hospital system is facing crisis.” So what did they do? Suspend 7,000 of them. That is inhuman. They’re bypassing parental informed consent to inject kids. They’re injecting children when there’s no need because kids don’t die from COVID. But they are dying from the injections. And what a disgrace the new South Wales chief health officer was. Last week when she said, “Only three kids.” Well I’m happy to say only three kids have died from the vaccine. [Man] Shame.

What? [Crowd] Shame.

Shame all right. They’re violating a doctor-patient relationship. The government is telling us who we can and cannot take advice from. Any one of these things, and we would say, “What the hell is going on?” But look at it all, look at it all. And who’s responsible? Who is responsible?

[Crowd] We are.

We are, thank you. We have to take responsibility. I am embarrassed to say, we’ve been searching everything, Pauline is such a bulldog, chasing everything. And we will continue to oppose every piece of government legislation that they bring to the Senate, until we restored our freedoms. But Pauline and I are trying everything. We’re calling eminent barristers, experts on constitutional law. I was talking to one of the best in the country yesterday and he said he can’t get over how our constitutional protections have just been bypassed, bulldozed. But we’ve got to keep going politically, we’ve got to keep going as a community and we’ve got to wake up to how we vote. This constitutional expert agreed with me, he volunteered the fact that the state governments are going around our constitution, we know that. Doing the federal government’s work, we know that. Section 31 clause 23A. 51, sorry, clause 23A. I have the constitution says, “We cannot constrict medication.” You all know that, and the prime minister is enabling it to happen at the state level. The Liberal Nationals have done this before, we’re stealing farmer’s property rights, they’re doing it again. They’re bypassing the people’s document, the governing document of this country, the constitution. And they don’t give a bugger. The prime minister will look you in the eye and say, “There are no vaccine mandates in Australia.”

[Man] He’s a liar.

What do you think of Scott Morrison?

[Crowd] Liar.

He’s a bloody liar.

[Crowd] Bloody liar, liar.

Next thing, when you look at the data, you find there’s nothing exceptional in the number of deaths in this country, nothing. How can it be a pandemic when there is no pandemic of deaths? And some people might say, “Well that’s because we had lockdowns.” Bullshit. If you look at Sweden, if you look at Sweden, not pandemic of deaths, there’s slightly negative death rate. And they were, they never locked down. If you’re looking at United States, you look around the world, there is no pandemic of deaths, none. What are they trying to do to us? Control, that’s what they’re about. Two weeks to flatten the curve became three injections to get your freedoms back, and that became three injections to keep your job and feed your kids. That is just disgusting. Governments are blaming COVID for restrictions that governments imposed. 29,000 teachers not coming back to this state, now in the next week, out of a hundred thousand, that’s almost one third. Well done teachers, Well done teachers. Nurses saying, “Stick your job, stick your jab.” Police, fireys, aged care workers, NDIS consultants, all kinds of carers are being dismissed or let go. And yet we’re supposed to be in a pandemic. This is bullshit.

[Crowd] Yeah.

We’ve got small business being asked to take on police enforcement duties, we’ve got small business being asked to take on health enforcement duties, We’ve got government destroying small business around the country, so that billionaires can get richer because that is what is happening, billionaires are getting richer. We’ve got it coordinated, these are all firsts, this has not happened before in this country. We’ve got the coordinated use of globalist slogans. Build back better, Great reset, from Trudeau, from Macron, from Biden, from Ardern, from Merkel, from Boris Johnson and from Scott Morrison. They do not run this country. They exactly, they are. Now Chris, I normally endorse what Chris says. I have enormous respect for Chris, he got something wrong, The bureaucrats do not run this country, The United nations and The World Economic Forum run this country.

[Crowd] Yes.

They created this bullshit, and the bureaucrats to serve them, Chris. I wanna talk about the Digital Identity Bill. It’s been released, who’s heard of it? Oh, this is so good. Thank you. We were the first to talk about it publicly, one or two of my staff really got into the research of it. What we’re seeing with COVID is foreplay, the real screwing comes in the Digital Identity Bill.

[Man] Yep.

That’s where they try to get us, we’re awake, but we need everyone awake. Morrison Joyce government had proposed the Digital Identity Bill, with Anthony Albanese labour party support and The Greens clapping from the sidelines. They’ve copied, listen to this, they have copied and pasted elements of their legislation, copied and pasted from the World Economic Forum, under UN directions. That’s where our legislation is coming from. And it’s here to control you. The government will take our health information, sell it to a corporation who can pack it overseas, where they don’t have to worry about our controls on identity theft. And then for you to access your health information, you will be paying a fee to that corporation. How can you believe this? They will increase QR codes and vaccine passports, looking for permanent introduction to these things. Everyone over 17 will be required to carry a wearable digital identity, that’s the only way to work. All transactions and information will be stored against our name and sold to overseas corporations. The government, the employer, the banks, the insurance company will know everything about each of us. And this will become a licence for life. A licence for living, yet only under digital surveillance. Already, the Reserve Bank of Australia manages, monitors, every single electronic transaction in this country. Like I wanna go, that’s enough for now. But on that, I wanna talk about something that’s really important to me, it always has been, safety. There’s nothing more important. It’s the basis of life. Think about this, I asked the government on the 23rd of March, 2020 for the data on this virus, they didn’t give it to me. I asked incentive estimates in May 21, 2021, and I got it from the chief medical officer. He said, “The virus,” I’ve seen the graph, I’ve got copies of it. “The virus severity is not high, the virus severity is low to moderate.” Did anyone know that?

[Crowd] Yes. And yet look at the government, driving us into control. Two years of mismanagement. I asked for a plan two years ago, we still haven’t seen a plan. So I said to the chief medical officer, “Let me talk to you about the components of a plan.” And he in front in the public, he endorsed the seven strategies I put to him. No plan from the government, but these are the seven strategies, testing, tracing and quarantining, the way Taiwan has managed this virus successfully. Not done. Antivirals, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, not done. Vaccines, untested, done. Restrictions, masks, and so on, done. Lockdowns, even the World Health Organisation says, “Lockdown should only be used initially, and only to get control over the virus.” That’s it, should not be used after that. Two years later, we’re still going into lockdowns, de-facto lockdowns. What does that tell you about our governments? They have not got control of the virus after two years. Then I said, number five, number six, sorry, health and fitness. Oh that’s novel, isn’t it? Health and fitness as Rory said, we have to manage that. They’re not doing anything to manage our health and fitness, help us. They’re stopping kids getting healthy, they’re stopping kids getting a balanced life, they’re stopping adults from exercising. And then the chief medical officer added a sixth one, hygiene. That’s it, they’re doing one, two of those things, That’s it. Restrictions, lockdowns and vaccines. They’re missing the important ones, the treatment and the testing, tracing, and quarantining. They don’t give a bugger about your safety. It is about control, isn’t it?

[Crowd] Yes.

That’s all it is. So, the core point is that we are responsible for this. As a Senator, I’m very embarrassed, as is Pauline, we just find it so hard to bash into everything, trying to prod holes in this. The state labour governments and the federal liberal national government, have got it stitched up. And until we keep putting pressure on them and they collapse, this is what they will keep doing and they’ll wrap it up with the Digital Identity Bill. So please, think about our role as citizens to vote. Put the bloody majors last.

[Crowd] Yes.

Put the majors last. I’ll be voting One Nation, this is up to you, it’s your country. I’ll be voting One Nation 1, then then 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, I’ll be putting people like, Informed Medical Options Party, LDP, Katter’s Australian Party, United Australia Party, Shooters, Fishers and Farmers, anyone except a big four, Then I’ll be voting, the next in preference will be the Liberal Nationals because there are some, two or three people in the Liberal National Party who will stand up, Gerard Rennick’s one of them. Alex Antic is another. You will not get anyone standing up in the Labour Party, they are like sheep. That’s why I put the Labour Party second last. And last of all guys, the Greens.

[Crowd] The Greens.

The Greens are in favour of control, the Greens love theses mandates. In addition to continuing to oppose every government bill that comes before the Senate, until they restore our freedoms, Pauline and I will continue to stand with you, we will seek for a Royal commission, and we demand the immediate end of all controls.