We are in unconscionable levels of debt – Alan Jones and Malcolm Roberts on ADH TV

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Australia’s trillion dollar debt is eye-watering. But here’s the government wasting money on ridiculous grants and schemes. We have to turn this boat around.

Transcript

Alan Jones:

We’ve heard endless overtures from the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, about his budget on October 25, there’ll be no new taxes. And yet, as I said earlier tonight, we have unconscionable levels of debt. Labour has to honour more than $2,000,000 of election promises. The growth in spending for the NDIS is forecast to be over 12%. That’s just growth. And in defence spending over 4%. And, of course, then there’s aged care and health and, of course, the cost of servicing the Commonwealth debt will increase by 14%. That’s why they’re carrying on about Stage 3 tax cuts, but that won’t get them out of trouble.

The way to go, if you’ve got the guts, is to cut waste. Let me give you some examples. I’m all for the arts, but how do we give a female artist $20,000 for her Yawning Room at a Woolloomooloo gallery? How do you give $20,000 to an art group for Project Immaculate where a Melbourne artist is filming and recording, listen to this, quote, “monthly live self insemination to elevate the experience of queer reproduction and disrupt heteronormative parenting narratives.” Why is $80,000 given for drawing a bum puppet with the image of the then Prime Minister Scott Morrison, on its posterior? $80,000 went to a Chinese Australian poet writing about toilet rolls and bodily fluids. Another $80,000 went to a bloke, this is last year, and what were the Labour Party saying about it in Opposition. It should have been a field day, but $80,000 to a bloke who said he was an experimentalist and a poet and that quote, “Poetry always accompanies bowel movements. There is a mysterious connection between the two.” $80,000. Is that a palpable waste of taxpayers money? Ideologically driven rubbish? And Government and Opposition have done nothing?

Then you get the staff levels of politicians. As I’ve said many times, I worked for a Prime Minister. We had five staff. Now I know things have changed, but does any Australian leader need almost 60 staff? If Dr. Chalmers wants to talk about waste and saving money, which he should, rather than raising taxes, let him start with his indulged ministerial colleagues.

Senator Malcolm Roberts is an outstanding, highly intelligent, splendidly credentialed One Nation Senator from Queensland. Only this week he has raised what he called wasteful Federal Government spending, where two government departments alone spent nearly a quarter of a million dollars of taxpayers money last financial year on lavish business class flights. He cited one public servant charging taxpayers $4,955 for a 55 minute business class flight from Canberra to Sydney.

Senator Malcolm Roberts joins me. Malcolm Roberts, thank you for your time. Hang on. $5,000 for 55 minutes. What was going on?

Malcolm Roberts:

Well, he must have been very, very tall and very cramped to justify the extra room in business class for just 55 minutes. I think he should be able to hang on. But, Alan, this just is symptomatic of the sense of entitlements, the low accountability and the absolutely atrocious governance in this country.

Alan Jones:

I mean, you’ve provided a list here as long as your arm. I mean, if it’s someone else’s money, of course, taxpayers’ money, away they go.

Malcolm Roberts:

Well, Alan, when I walk on board a plane, I walk through business class and I go to the back of the bus. I walk past the Greens and business class, past the Liberals in business class, past the Nationals in business class, past the Labour in business class and plus past the bureaucrats in business class. Why can’t they go to the back just like I do? And in fact, you get a better flight because you listen to people. You have a good natter to people. Isn’t that what it’s about? Listening to constituents?

Alan Jones:

Yes, I mean, you make this point, don’t you? And it’s so true that many hardworking, tax paying Australians who are watching you tonight have never flown business class in their life. Yet here is workers’ money, taxes, being used for staff to fly up the front of the plane.

Malcolm Roberts:

That’s right. And these people are paying their wages. These people are paying their flights. These people are paying the premium for the business class experience, the free booze, and yet they’ve never been on a plane, some of them, and yet they’ve never been, certainly on business class.

Alan Jones:

There is a case for ministers and others flying business class where they get some work done and whatever, but on a 55 minute flight, for God’s sake, I wouldn’t know how you’d run up a bill of $5,000. But, why, ministerial staff, Malcolm? I mean, you’ve never been a minister. Your boss has never been a minister. This is completely over the odds. The indulged way in which these people have staff that could never, ever be fully occupied because there’s the department as well. I mean, if you’re the Minister for Industrial Relations with a stack of staff or the Treasurer, then there’s a Treasury as well full of bureaucrats. How the hell can these staff numbers be justified?

Malcolm Roberts:

Well, they can’t be, Alan. You made a very good point at CPAC. Let me just quote your figures. The gross national debt was at 20% of GDP in 2013. That was the end of the Labour party, time in Canberra. We are now at over 42% of GDP. And that’s with what? Nine years of Liberal National Party government.

Alan Jones:

Absolutely.

Malcolm Roberts:

The so-called restrained ones, the fiscally conservative party.

Alan Jones:

Oh yes.

Malcolm Roberts:

And yet we’re at 42% of GDP.

Alan Jones:

I mean, it used to be raison d’être that the coalition, the Liberals would manage your money better. And those figures that I cited indicate that it’s just been an extravaganza. Look, Malcolm, it might be unfashionable to say it. And I’m offering no reflection on a court case currently taking place in the ACT, but here were ministerial staffers, plural, out on the town, getting drunk. Now, when I worked in Canberra, we had no time to be going to clubs or bars, even if we knew where they were. We were just too damn busy. It prompts a question, doesn’t it? What kind of worldly informed advice could any 24 year old give to a government minister?

Malcolm Roberts:

Well, Alan, I find the same problems at Parliament House. I never stop. I haven’t got time to go out into the clubs. I haven’t got time to go and get boozy. But what it is is the rot always starts at the top. The fish rotting starts at the head of the fish. And the same with government. What we’ve got is a very lax system in Parliament. We’ve got very low accountability between the Labour Party and the Liberal Party. And what we see is, I mean, we are talking about $5,000 flights to Sydney. We’re talking about the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, $5,500 flights, $4,300 flights, $4,184, $4,095, $5,063 flights on business class. We’re talking about that. But the bigger malaise in this country, that is almost insignificant compared to the bigger malaise. We are talking about policies in this country that are not based on data and that contradict the real world data. We’re talking about policies that are costing people trillions of dollars, not billions, Alan, trillions of dollars. You know that from the energy consequences.

Alan Jones:

Well, I’m going to talk about …

Malcolm Roberts:

We’re talking about …

Alan Jones:

I’ll cover that energy thing in a moment. I just want to finish on staff. See all this nonsense about the Teals being refused staff by Anthony Albanese. I give Anthony Albanese full marks. These people automatically have four staff and they want more. I’d like to know what Zali Steggall has done that benefits any constituent in the seat of Warringah.

Malcolm Roberts:

There’s no reason for that in a small seat of Warringah. Look at Anthony Albanese’s seat. It’s three kilometres across in radius roughly, 32 square kilometres in total area. Queensland is, what was it now? I’ve forgotten the figures, but you know it’s 2,800 kilometres from north to south. It’s 2,000 kilometres east to west. We need staff to get around and listen and with us. So there is a need for some staff for senators, but not for MPs in inner city suburbs.

Alan Jones:

I don’t want to let you go without talking about this cost that you talked about, which was a very valid point. What are the costs to the taxpayer of policies? Now, we’ve seen this week, the very thing that you and I have warned about, energy price is going to climb through the roof. Up to 35% increases next year. Business and households won’t be able to cope. You and I have warned of this. We talked about 17 internationally respected climate scientists from six nations including Australia and covering many disciplines of climate science and climatology who have confirmed your conclusion that CSIRO, our leading research entity in this country, had never presented logical scientific points needed as the basis of policy in climate change.

Malcolm Roberts:

That is correct. And what’s more, what we find is that the CSIRO in their first presentation to me, which lasted two and a half hours, as did the other two presentations, the first one, they admitted that they have never said to any government that there is danger from carbon dioxide from human activity. So I said, “Who has said that danger?” And they said, “Well, you’ll have to go and ask the ministers who’ve been saying it.” The second presentation, they admitted to me, Alan, under cross examination of their presentation that today’s temperatures are not unprecedented. Yet the whole global warming, global climate live was based on the premise that we’ve got unprecedented temperatures. Complete rubbish. Complete rubbish. And now we’ve got trillions of dollars going to be blown and wasted and opportunity costs. We’re going to have Australia decimated.

Look, Alan, when I was a boy, I was born in India for first seven years there. Then we moved to the Hunter Valley. I lived in the bush outside of a town called Kurri Kurri. I used to cycle to school and I went past the aluminium smelter at Alcan. That was built, as was the Tomago smelter, because they were attracted to Hunter Valley because of our clean, high quality, coal, which made cheap electricity. Australia had the world’s cheapest electricity. We’ve now got amongst the world’s highest.

Alan Jones:

We certainly have.

Malcolm Roberts:

But the primacy of energy is really fundamental. You don’t get human progress without ever decreasing energy prices. From 1850 to 1970, we had a relentless reduction in the unit cost of electricity, which dramatically rose productivity, which dramatically gave us our standard of living. We went from scratching in the dirt in famines in the course of 120 years to being free of all of that.

That’s human progress. In the last few decades, we have reversed that. And instead of having a decreasing price of electricity, we’ve had a doubling and a trebling of electricity prices. Now the significant thing of that is that not only does human progress get reversed, but manufacturing, these days, the largest cost component is not labour. The largest cost component has been electricity for quite some time in manufacturing. When we increase our electricity prices due to the highest subsidies of solar and wind in the world, we are double the next highest per capita. We are sending our manufacturing to China. China is manufacturing with our coal, wind turbines and solar panels, shipping them to here where we subsidise the Chinese to instal them. We subsidise the Chinese to run them. We are gutting our manufacturing. We have got farmers in North Queensland, Central Queensland, Southern Queensland, during the last drought, not planting fodder crops because the cost of electricity for pumping water was too high. And this is absurd. We are destroying our country. I call it the solar and wind, a kamikaze malinvestment. Kamikaze malinvestment. That’s what these things are. Parasitic.

Alan Jones:

Well, I’ve called it a national economic suicide note. We’ve run out of time, Malcolm, but I just want to commend you, this man called the Climate Change Bill. Talks in simple language, and I’ll say it slowly. Malcolm Roberts, Senator. Malcolm Roberts, that’s this bloke here, has said, and I’ve said this too, but he’s put it in different lingo. The Climate Change Bill is the biggest change to Australian lives, the Parliament of Australia has ever considered. I’ve called it a national economic suicide note, and that’s where we’re heading.

Malcolm, good to talk to you. We’ll keep talking to you. We’ll have you back. Thanks for your time tonight.

Malcolm Roberts:

Thank you, Alan. Thank you for what you’re doing.

Alan Jones:

Not at all. There he is. Senator, Malcolm Roberts.

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Letter to Anthony Albanese – Not “Safe and Effective”

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Dear Prime Minister

One of my constituents, Dr Phillip Altman, has approached me with concerning information about the gene-based COVID vaccination rollout.

On 10 September 2022 he delivered a presentation in Melbourne to the Australian Medical Professionals Society, a nationwide body of doctors and allied health professionals.

Fully supported with strong and compelling data, he highlighted the shortcomings of the Australian and State governments’ approaches to COVID-19 management.

Dr Altman has a background of 40 years’ experience working with the pharmaceutical industry and the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

His evidence makes it clear that the previous federal government and agencies, including AHPRA and the TGA and State Governments, made decisions that were detrimental to Australians and the Australian economy.

Many of those decisions led to avoidable deaths and injuries to Australians who had been assured that these new generation gene-based injections, labelled as “vaccines”, were safe and effective.

This was a lie.

The COVID “vaccines” have never been fully approved and, by definition, have not been shown to be safe or effective, as Dr Altman has clearly stated.

The drug companies were aware of the dangers of the injections yet marketed them aggressively in the knowledge that the injections presented serious health risks, including death.

The TGA relied on limited quality, safety and efficacy data to provisionally approve these gene-based “vaccines”, which have never before been used on such a massive scale and in healthy people, including children and adolescents, without due consideration of risk and benefit.

The TGA approvals still remain provisional or conditional and do not have full approval status in Australia, or anywhere else, due to the lack of data, especially the total lack of long-term safety data for these serious gene-based injections that have never before been deployed.

The TGA effectively placed a prohibition on doctors prescribing Ivermectin off-label, citing concerns of toxicity, supply issues and possible interference with “vaccine” uptake. The claims of Ivermectin toxicity were reckless and unsupportable, the supply issues did not eventuate, and the Australian population is largely fully “vaccinated”.

A recently announced TGA review of the poison scheduling of Ivermectin represents the first sign of a long-awaited possible reappraisal of the disastrous COVID health policies that have severely damaged the nation.

Of particular concern to me has been AHPRA’s attitude when dealing with doctors or allied health professionals who have challenged some of the publicly made policy statements that the “vaccines” are safe and effective, or that oppressive mandates are necessary to protect the Australian population.

AHPRA has threatened to revoke, or has actually revoked the registration of some of those challengers, on the alleged grounds that even asking questions represents an imminent risk to public health or safety and should be considered serious misconduct.

I note with deep concern the proposed amendment to the new National Law, that if passed by the Queensland Parliament, would empower AHPRA to deregister or suspend health professionals with a new paramount principal inserted into the scheme.

It would replace the current guiding paramount principle, which is that “health and safety of the public are paramount” with “public confidence in the safety and services provided”.  Public confidence will now replace care and safety.  This is a disgraceful scam.

This conflicts with the doctors’ Code of Conduct in which the “care of your patient is your primary concern”.

This proposed change will reduce the quality of medical care because it now places a wedge into the doctor/patient relationship, preventing a doctor from expressing honest and informed professional advice based on a patient’s individual circumstances when this advice is at any variance to population-wide, one-size-fits-all, general health policy.

It will prevent provision of a complete view about benefits and material risks of a proposed treatment to the patient, thereby failing to gain fully informed consent from the patient, a fundamental principle embodied in the well-established health practitioner Code of Conduct.

A doctor will run the risk of deregistration if they comply with the code of conduct and common law obligations to disclose all material risks prior to seeking the patient’s consent.

They will run the risk of deregistration if the medical view is in contrast with government policy that non-medical bureaucrats or politicians made, even if the doctor’s view is logical and scientifically sound.

This proposed legislation must not proceed and must not become part of the National Law.

I attach a transcript of Dr Altman’s presentation and briefing paper on the proposed changes to the National Law and look forward to your considered response at your earliest convenience.

Yours sincerely

Malcolm Roberts

Senator for Queensland

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Unity through honesty must carry the stage

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Published in the Spectator 6 October 2022

There often comes a time when a friend has to put his arm around a mate who is behaving badly and ask what’s going on. The Liberal Party and I had such a moment on Sunday during my speech at CPAC.

The Liberal Party seemed to consider CPAC as an opportunity to restore their conservative credentials and engage in a membership drive to the exclusion of other conservative parties, including One Nation.

The Liberals were staking their claim to an unearned (and undeserved) conservative voting ground. It was for this reason that I changed my speech on Sunday morning to start a conversation on what should be expected of a conservative politician.

CPAC was an amazing event, I congratulate the organisers for all their hard work.

While the speakers on the stage were excellent, what was even better was the full and frank conversation I had with attendees representing the full spectrum of conservative thought.

My speech condensed the advice I received from attendees into a six-minute critique of the Liberal Party.

On Saturday morning, the Outsiders panel with Spectator Australia editor Rowan Dean and fellow Sky News Australia co-hosts Rita Panahi and James Morrow declared Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Katherine Deves as Australia’s bravest women. I absolutely agree that Jacinta and Katherine are brave, intelligent, and strong women. Amazing women. Each is a credit to the conservative movement.

However, they are not Australia’s bravest women. That title has gone to Pauline Hanson for the last 25 years.

Pauline has fought the very battles frequently mentioned during CPAC – those battles to protect family, community, Christianity, Australia’s borders, the Indigenous industry, our flag, veterans, and way of life from predatory political ideologies.

It is ironic that the omnipresent party at CPAC was the same party that sent Pauline to jail to shut her up – the Liberal Party.

After being released and exonerated, Pauline put aside her time as Australia’s first political prisoner to lead One Nation in the fight for conservative values.

This should never be forgotten, especially with the release of a new national anti-corruption body lacking in checks and balances One Nation expected to be there.

In this last Parliament, Australia’s Covid response asked many questions of our elected leaders. Questions like:

What happened to my body my choice?

What happened to the vaccine approval process?

What happened to freedom of movement and freedom of association?

What happened to the sanctity of the doctor-patient relationship?

What happened to free speech?

And how could a virus infect you in a small business, but not in a big business?

One Nation went to this last election defending conservative values and fighting for your freedom.

Senator Ralph Babet and the UAP were also there defending your freedom. The Liberal Democrats were there standing up against the genuinely evil Daniel Andrews regime in Victoria. Commentator and documentary filmmaker Topher Field was arrested for his courage and went on to produce the award-winning documentary Battleground Melbourne that I urge all Australians to watch.

What did the Liberal Party, which is now asking for your support, do in the last election? They chose to preference the Labor Party ahead of One Nation in many races, in the end delivering the Senate to the ALP.

And why was Peter Dutton and the Senior Liberal Party leadership absent from CPAC if conservatism is written large in the DNA of the Liberal Party?

Former Prime Ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott prepared messages, so why not members of the Liberal Party leadership who hold power? Why are they hiding from conservatives?

Attendees at CPAC want to see the Liberals rediscover their roots in true liberalism, although it would be unbelievable if the Liberals achieved that task in a single weekend. It could be argued that their performance over the weekend and subsequent defence of it has worsened their position within the conservative movement.

Many Liberal Party voters believe that the party quite simply sold Australia out.

‘You betrayed us!’ echoed from the crowd at one point, amid boos after some in the party misread the sentiment of the room. To those on stage who insisted that the behaviour of the Liberals was ‘not as bad as Labor’, we ask:

Who was it that locked Western Sydney residents into their homes and put troops on the streets to keep them there – that was the Liberal Berejiklian government.

Who closed their state off to the rest of Australia, imposed business closures, restricted movement, and forced medical mandates on their citizens – that was the Liberal Marshall government.

Who changed the rules to allow emergency health orders under the Biosecurity Act, and then tore up the vaccine approval rule book, while sharing the vaccine status of citizens with anyone who wanted to see it?

That was the Liberal Morrison government.

With the benefit of hindsight, we know the measures taken by the old parties, including the so-called conservative Liberal and National parties, were wrong and probably resulted in more loss of life than if the virus had been treated as a flu.

Australian Actuarial Data shows for the 3 months to March 2022 deaths from respiratory diseases, including Covid, the flu, and pneumonia were 7 per cent lower than the long-term average.

Put simply, Covid is now less deadly than the flu, based on overall deaths.

What that actuarial data also showed was that deaths from heart disease were up 10 per cent, Cerebrovascular disease was up 5 per cent, and Australia’s death rate overall is 13 per cent above the expected rate – all this despite respiratory deaths being 7 per cent down.

Why are deaths spiking?

There never was a firm or consensus medical basis for the measures that were taken by the Federal Liberal Party, and State Liberal Party governments in New South Wales and South Australia – but they did it anyway.

We must have a Royal Commission to get to the bottom of all of this.

If the Liberal Party want their supporters to ‘hold the line’, as we heard during CPAC, then they need to change their leadership, change their policies, apologise for their failures, and start over.

At CPAC, I also heard a speaker in favour of retaining the two-party system of government.

I do not agree.

It was not a two-party system that delivered conservatives a victory in Italy, that was a multi-party coalition.

It was not a two-party system that delivered conservatives to government in Sweden, that was a multi-party coalition.

While Brexit did deliver the first black eye to the globalists as another speaker mentioned, the conservatives did not do that. Nigel Farage did that, working outside of the establishment parties.

And it was not the Republicans that won the Presidency in 2016, it was Donald Trump.

It will not be the Republicans that regain Congress in a month, it will be Donald Trump and his Maga movement.

And they will retake Congress over the dead body of establishment republicans.

Can a unified conservative movement achieve more than a disunited movement?

Of course it can.

That is why all these decent, everyday Australians came to CPAC. They were there to make a difference.

We are people from all parties, united in the desire to defend conservative values. We can win this fight. Just as victory in two world wars was not any nation’s alone, rather, nations came together, allied in a single cause, to defend against evil and create a future that protects freedom, family, and abundance.

After a long period of peace and prosperity, those who seek to take everything and leave us with nothing are in the ascendency.

We have been at rest too long, my friends.

We are in a war against neo-paganism masquerading as Wokeism.

We do not need to be one party to triumph over evil, but we must be one community. We must be united, we must be resolute and most importantly, we must start today.

There is no need for a single conservative party, especially not one as arrogant and out of touch as the Liberal Party.

There is however a pressing need for conservative allies to unite, and fight side by side with a clarity of mind and purpose.

And so I implore all conservatives, now is the time, as Shakespeare said so eloquently, ‘Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.’

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Statement on Essendon Football’s decision to boot Andrew Thorburn

This decision is based on fear and will only lead to fear throughout the club.

The Essendon Football Club has forced Andrew Thorburn out of his CEO position because of his personal Christian beliefs, citing that they are “at odds” with the club’s views.

My question is, will the club apply this new rule on religious discrimination across the board? Will they audit all of their staff and players for supposedly “unacceptable” beliefs?

What will they do for the staff and players of Islamic faith if they are found to believe in practices like forced marriage, deception or even violence against infidels, domestic violence against wives and the punishment of homosexual acts by death.

Will anyone who believes in this fundamental version of Islam receive the same treatment as Andrew Thorburn? Or is religious discrimination only accepted against those of Christian faith?

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For Australia’s Children

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When I came into Parliament I swore an oath to serve the people of this country. Now my grandchild is on the way. That gives a new clarity to how we should be running this country with vision for the future.

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President as we return home to our families this weekend, I’m reminded of the reason many came to this Chamber in the first place.

We’re here for our families, our children.

With my first grandchild on the way, my role as a Senator takes on new meaning, refreshed and clear.

I stand in this place to build a future that will allow my grandchild to become all she or he can be, irrespective of gender, sexuality, religion or skin colour.

Australians should not be born into a world that is divided on the very things that have made Australia such a beautiful tapestry of humanity.

I will not bow to those who are using skin colour to divide us.

I will not allow an ideology advanced in this chamber that every new Australian, including my grandchild must have less so that the ruling elites can have more.

I will not allow my grandchild to be born into an Australia where greed and evil subvert freedom.

I will defend my unborn grandchild’s right to life.

And I will defend every Australian from the evil notion that, having ceased to be healthy, taking one’s own life that God gave us, is somehow noble.

To do anything else would be a betrayal of the oath of office I took with my hand on the bible.

In the last Parliament I was disappointed, deeply disappointed when a group of leading Senators, most of whom took their oath on the bible, voted against my motion on gendered language.

Instead, these Senators chose to defend an agenda that’s meekly described as woke, yet more accurately described as neo-paganism.

It is not inclusive to exclude the fundamental tenets of a civilised, Christian society – mothers, fathers and family.

I will not be told I have lost any battle I came here to rectify, for surely this means the next generation have lost before they are born.

If they are born.

We have one flag, we are one community.

We are one nation under God.

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Labor tries to take credit for One Nation policy

Labor Senator Tony Sheldon has attempted to take credit for policy which One Nation is actively pushing through the Parliament while Labor lets their version lapse.

Tweet from Tony Sheldon

One Nation’s Equal Pay for Equal Work Bill is currently subject to a Parliamentary Inquiry while Labor’s Bill hasn’t even been introduced to the Parliament. Only One Nation is moving forward with legislation to ensure companies using labour hire companies have to pay casual workers a minimum of the same as permanent employees doing the same work.

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Response to Cairns News story on Cane Growers

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UPDATE: Cairns News has now taken down this story. The Office of Senator Roberts appreciates Cairns News’ commitment to accuracy and commends them for their assistance in correcting this confusion. We look forward to working with Cairns News in the future on the issues they cover that no mainstream media dares to touch.

An article published on Cairns News has incorrectly claimed that “One Nation senator Malcolm Roberts, has no apparent interest in Far Northern Queensland cane industry” because my “office was contacted by Cairns News inquiring if he could assist in publicising the plight of growers… no reply was received”.

A search of our office’s email inbox does not reveal any contact from Cairns News in relation to this matter. There has also been no call received by my office about this issue from Cairns News.

My office has since contacted Cairns News via email and commented on their story with no return contact. Mossman Mill has also confirmed to my office that they have not tried to contact our office and did not ask for assistance.

My office also spoke with Claudio Santucci who is Chair of Tableland Cane growers (the article is incorrect as to his organisation). Claudio also confirms he has not made any contact with my office.

Contrary to the report, One Nation and I stand strongly with the Far Northern Queensland sugar cane industry. We were instrumental in pushing for the Sugar Code of Conduct to protect growers from multinational milling companies.

In 2018 we warned that the four year period for the Sugar Code was insufficient and that it should be legislated. With the code due for review this year, the Albanese government hasn’t given any indication whether they will continue to protect growers by keeping it permanently like One Nation has fought for.

Cane growers know One Nation has always cared deeply about protecting them from multinational predators and we will continue to fight for them anyway we can.

As all of these facts negate every aspect of the story I would ask Cairns News to withdraw the story and publish a correction as a matter of urgency.

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Evidence on Cloud Seeding required for questions to be asked

A number of constituents have raised concerns with me about weather manipulation, also referred to as cloud seeding and rain seeding.

Cloud-seeding is a weather-modification practice used to artificially create or promote additional rain/snow from existing clouds. Chemicals are added into a cloud to promote rain formation – usually silver iodide, potassium iodide, or solid carbon dioxide (dry ice), and sometimes liquid propane and table salt. This can be done from the air or the ground.

The success and safety of cloud-seeding remains debated depending on what method is used. Estimates place successful cloud-seeding programs squeezing an extra 3% of precipitation out of an existing cloud bank. Other studies could not determine a net-benefit. In short, the effectiveness of cloud seeding appears to be unclear.

Australia stopped engaging in any kind of consistent cloud-seeding in the 1960s due to environmental concerns. There have been a few trials undertaken, with the last occurring in 2016.

In order to raise questions about these allegations of more recent cloud seeding than 2016 to the government, it is necessary to have solid empirical evidence to interrogate them over.

The evidence needs to be scientific, solid and accurately measured. It needs more: It needs to be in a logical scientific point that proves cause-and-effect. We need to KNOW who loaded specific identified chemicals into a plane, who flew the plane, who gave the orders to release in the air, who measured the chemicals in the air or on the ground, the specific linked effects, …

A picture of an unusual cloud shape is not proof of anything. A storm is not proof of anything. An aircraft vapour trail is not proof of anything. Chasing such claims would bring ridicule and undermine credibility. It needs hard data, solid proof of someone doing a specific action or causing a specific event AND it needs the measured, documented effect of that action or event. There must be a logical scientific framework that scientifically proves cause-and-effect.

Treat it as if you’re going to be giving evidence under oath in a court of law to be used as solid evidence convicting someone guilty.

This evidence must be rock-solid and contained in documents. Examples of evidence that meets this standard include flight paths, flight registrations or tail numbers, government approvals, other permits or evidence of material being loaded onto a plane.

This evidence must be temporally associated (i.e. close in time) to a claimed rain event.

For example, concerns about cloud seeding were raised in relation to the 2022 Lismore and South-East Queensland floods. Satisfactory evidence in relation to this might be a flight path, combined with evidence of a permit or approval, which was timed closely to the rain event.

Evidence that would not be satisfactory to raise with the government include photos of the sky or media releases relating to previous trial operations many years ago.

With satisfactory evidence we can raise issues and ask questions. To date, no one has been able to provide satisfactory evidence that is temporally associated with an Australian rain event.

While I take very seriously my role to serve and protect the people of Queensland and Australia, please understand that every minute my staff team and I devote to claims is a minute lost in prosecuting other important issues such as the climate scammers destroying our energy, manufacturing and agriculture; the Covid mismanagement with untested injections hurting and killing Australians and removal of basic human rights; the recovery of farmers’ rights to use their property and restore food security; the corruption of water irrigation allocations; restoring honest governance including compliance with our constitution; restoring sovereignty that major parties have handed to the UN and World Economic Forum; and holding the government and major parties accountable.

Sometimes I am the only or dominant federal politician challenging the government and major parties on these issues hurting and killing Australians. That makes me a target for the mouthpiece media who try to destroy my credibility as a way of protecting their owners’ globalist agenda. That does not bother me because I get the data first and that enables me to shake off criticism as fake news or media lies protecting the globalist predators who own much of their mouthpiece media internationally. The best defence from these attacks is truth. That requires solid data proving cause-and-effect.

I will go public on issues only once I am well informed with solid scientific evidence linking cause-and-effect.

One of the sadnesses around the climate scam and Covid mismanagement is that both are destroying real science’s credibility.

Proper, objective science has given us our modern way of life and lifestyle including longer life expectancy, safer lives, healthier lives, easier and more secure lives, greater entertainment, remarkably wider options, choices and more comfort. Sadly, the corruption and distortion of science in Covid and climate alarm are destroying science’s credibility. I am working to restore scientific integrity that is essential to human progress. Millions of current and future lives are at stake. This is a matter of live and death.

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Christine Dolan on Medical Trafficking – TNT Radio

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Christine Dolan helped hunt down exploitation in the Catholic Church and has now been on the case of vaccine rollouts across the world. She has a wealth of knowledge and it was an honour to be able to scrape the surface of it.

Transcript

Announcer:

This is the Malcolm Roberts Show, on Today’s News Talk radio, TNT.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Hello and welcome to the Malcolm Roberts Show. Senator Malcolm Roberts here broadcasting from Brisbane, Australia, globally. Everyone who is a regular listener knows that my two themes for the show are freedom and responsibility. Both essential for human progress and individual happiness and satisfaction. And thank you for having me as your guest yet again, whether it’s in your lounge room, your shed, your car, your living room, wherever you are, thank you for having me as your guest. And I’ve got a very special pair of guests today which we’ll introduce in just a minute.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

At first, some news. We saw a paper released this week, in fact, just a couple of days ago. And it’s titled Serious Adverse Events of Special Interest Following mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Randomised Trial in Adults. At last, it’s coming out, at last. They’re saying the results of this trial, this scientific trial, peer reviewed paper, I’ll quote, “The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36% higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. The Moderna trial exhibited a 6% higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group.” 36% higher risk.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And let’s just check at the author’s declaration. The authors declare that they have no known competing financial interests or personal relationships that could have appeared to have influenced the work reported in this paper. Unlike Pfizer, unlike Moderna, unlike big pharma generally, there are no conflicts of interests associated with this paper. What a breath of fresh air to get some independent research. And we’ll be going into that in more detail in the future.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

But that’s so important to understand because we conducted our COVID Under Question inquiry two weeks ago where we had experts from all over the world, doctors, lawyers, people who have been hurt by the vaccines. We had Dr. Phillip Altman give us a rundown of the huge unexpected and adverse death, consequences and serious adverse events from the vaccines. They’re not vaccines, they’re experimental gene therapy treatments. And they have not been fully tested at all, not been tested. What we’ve finding now is this increasing news of the death toll coming out.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Tucker Carlson broadcast in America last week on exactly that. It’s now hard to keep it under wraps. It’s now starting to burst out and we’re going to talk to our first guest soon about exactly that. One last piece before I introduce my first guest. On Thursday night, I was a guest at Boonah, which is a little town, population probably about 6,000 people, if that, in the scenic rim about an hour from Brisbane, hour and a half from Brisbane.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And I was there to listen and to support the residents who are holding the state government accountable for their invasion of their property rights in trying to deal with fire ants. And what we saw was an amazing reaction from the farmers there. They want their properties respected, they want their rights respected, they want their individual freedoms respected. And they told the state government in very, very clear terms.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We’re starting to see in America, the Saturday before, I listened to two American women at a barbecue near our place. And they were saying just how much they are disappointed that America is collapsing, thanks to Obama, Clinton, G.W. Bush, and now this scourge, Joe Biden. But they say that the Americans are waking up to the stealing of their country by the globalist predators, the elites. And what we are seeing is… and they were very, very encouraged. It’s coming here. We’re always a little bit behind America, but it’s coming here. And one of the ladies who is helping us to really start opening people’s eyes is my first guest. I’m not going to tell you her name until the end.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Before President William J. Clinton, we know him as Bill, signed the U.S. Anti-trafficking Federal Bill in October 2000. The International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children in Alexandria, Virginia, commissioned this news reporter as an independent journalist to investigate the exploitation of children emanating from the Baulkham crisis. A war that my guest previously covered in the early 1900s, when she co-owned and co-produced an international policy series syndicated on Public Broadcasting System Network in America. She expanded this initial human trafficking investigation globally.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

As a result, a documentary called Shattered Innocence – The Millennium Holocaust, was released at the National Press Club in Washington DC in 2001. It was endorsed by the National Press Club News Makers Committee, UK Detective Paul Holmes, the co-founder of the Interpol Trafficking Committee, and Arnold Burns, the former Department of Justice, U.S. Deputy Attorney General during the Reagan administration. She’s worked with people who’ve come from both sides of politics in America. Detective Holmes called Shattered Innocence, “Groundbreaking, the best work on human trafficking.” My guest nailed it. She nailed the connection of the dots of this global phenomenon.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Her trans criminal and transnational findings then still stand today. Her insights prove prophetic. As a result, in November 2002, her second global investigation took place entitled, In the Name of God. It was released at the National Press Club in Washington DC as well. It challenged the then Catholic Church, so she’s going up against the big boys, the Catholic Church’s hierarchies public mantra of non-complicity. It’s participation in the cover up, lack of accountability and exposed the criminal tools embedded in the Catholic church hiding child abuse.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Ms, she’s… Almost gave her name away. Her reporting concluded that the Catholic Church’s policy and responses to paedophilia go back centuries. She advised prosecutors to seize the historical secret archives maintained under Canon Law, which resulted in grand juries and are still used in current criminal investigations. In 2016, In the Name of God was submitted to the Australian Royal Commission’s National Inquiry into the institutional response to child abuse, which made several hundred recommendations. Including but not limited to reporting child abuse to law enforcement disclosures disclosed in confessions.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Christine Dolan, is my guest and she is senior editor and chief investigative journalist for cdm.press, leading multiple investigations on COVID international policy and big pharma corruption. She is founder of American Conversations since 2014 and is now collaborating in partner with L. Todd Wood, cdm.press publisher and executive editor. Welcome Ms. Dolan, thank you for joining us.

Christine Dolan:

Oh, Senator, thank you. It’s good to be back talking to you again. To all your listeners, I hope they’re tuning in and they take what we have to share with them today because it’s going to affect everybody’s life.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Well, I must say, I haven’t got my notes in front of me, but TNT records every broadcast, every show, and then if you go back to tntradio.live, go to the top of the page, click on episodes, you can scroll down to the host of the show. In that case it’s Senator Malcolm Robertson in this case and then you look at the date of the show and you’ll be able to get a recording of any show that I’ve done. Any show that anyone’s done that way, so we will be recording this forever, Christine. Before we continue, first thing, what do you appreciate? Anything at all, family, friends, whatever.

Christine Dolan:

Oh, family, friends, safari’s in Africa. I think that my line in the sand is if I could never go back to Australia or South Africa or Kenya again because of all this nonsense over COVID.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yes, you’ve had quite a few safaris. In fact, I read that you’ve been in every African nation, every one of them.

Christine Dolan:

I have. I’ve been very, very blessed in life that I’ve been able to travel and I appreciate different cultures. I believe in the Treaty of Westphalia. I don’t think that the globalists have an understanding of how much should be appreciated in all the cultures. And I think that we’re living in very scary times. Very scary times.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We are. And I’ve travelled through all 50 of your states in America and very privileged to have done so. I learned a lot. Christine, let’s go back to the start because I don’t want to just explore the news. I want to learn about your life, what gave you your energy, your enthusiasm, the way you chase these people. Because this lady, let me tell you everyone who’s listening, this lady, I don’t know if you can say this or not about a woman in America, but she’s a bulldog. She is a bulldog and she goes after things. Christine, where were you born?

Christine Dolan:

I was born in Beverly Farms, Massachusetts. It’s the North side of Boston, right on the Coast.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

That’s good, Kennedy Country in Massachusetts.

Christine Dolan:

It’s very big Kennedy Country. And my dad came from Jack Kennedy’s generation. My dad went to MIT. Graduated ’43 during World War II. But then I was the third born in my family and my father had worked for DuPont and the Monsanto and that’s why the family ended up in St. Louis where Monsanto’s headquarters were. And my dad was in the biochemical industry for decades. Although I wasn’t a science reporter and I wasn’t a… The last time I ever took a science class was biology in high school. But I grew up with somebody in the business who had done very well in the business and was acknowledged and recognised. And he had a biochemical company that manufactured chemicals for medicinal research. And the largest customer he had was NIH.

Christine Dolan:

So I was privy to the politics and the history of the pharmaceutical company. And he had always explained to me that in the 1950s, following World War II, they came up with thalidomide, and that was initially used for insomnia for people after World War II and then was given to pregnant women. And when they tried to distribute it to the United States, they knew that in fact it had resulted, in the babies were hurt. They were born with arms coming out of their shoulders.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Gross deformities.

Christine Dolan:

Deformities, thank you. And there was a woman named Frances Kelsey was her name, who was out of the ordinary for her generation. She was at FDA during the Kennedy administration in the 60s. And she had questions and she put those people through a ringer because she wanted more research. And then she basically did not allow it into the United States at that time. It later was approved during Fauci’s aid crisis. And he was actually, ironically, given an award in the name of Frances Kelsey. But which makes no sense because she blocked having that drug in the United States then in the 60s because of the baby deformities. And she was given a big award by JFK when he was President. And so I grew up knowing that. And then my dad passed away about, I guess, 11 years ago.

Christine Dolan:

And it was very unusual because in 2020, I didn’t know Fauci. His wife was ahead of me at Georgetown University. But again, I wasn’t a medical reporter. I was covering the 2020 campaign for John Solomon at Just The News. John had just started early in January/February, he called me and he said, “Can you help me get this started?” I said, “Sure.” And so I jumped on board and then the next thing we know, it’s not the 2020 campaign, it’s the COVID campaign. And it was a nightmare here in America trying to get a handle around it. Trying to get a handle around what is the origin of it. There are many people in Fauci’s camp that kept on saying, “Well, this is going to happen again.”

Christine Dolan:

And when I had gone to law school and I didn’t finish, and I’m not a lawyer, but I was trained as a criminal investigator in law school. So when you ask me, Malcolm, where do I get the passion, I think it’s just instinct. There’s a lot of faults that I have, but one of the talents I have is the ability to connect the dots. And whenever you see chaos, and it was chaos in 2020 here in America. I knew that the story was bigger than what we were being told. There was no transparency.

Christine Dolan:

There were just too many people with too many degrees that had no idea what the hell was going on in the world. And the thing that caught my eye is that if everybody says that it’s going to happen again, then the natural thing that should happen should be for world leaders getting together and demanding to know what is the origin of this so it’s not repeated. And that was not happening. Morrison in your country did eventually say… Wanted the Chinese to really become transparent. And there was a lot of pushback with him, but I never saw anybody else. And that caught my mind because-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I’ve got to interject there, Christine, because what I noticed about Scott Morrison is that on the 3rd of October 2019 I think it was. In Sydney he made a speech talking about the unaccountable internationalistic bureaucrats. He was basically naming the UN without naming him, but it was just nonsense. We have been calling out the UN and the World Economic Forum for decades, and Morrison realised we were making progress so he tried to hijack the issue and silence it. But Morrison, very early on, even though he called out the Chinese, that was just for local political benefit for himself. Because very soon after he advocated giving the World Health Organisation, that criminal, dishonest, deceitful organisation, incompetent organisation, increased powers, powers of weapons inspectors. Morrison was talking out of both sides of his mouth. And he did that forever throughout this COVID virus campaign, mismanagement, gross mismanagement in this country.

Christine Dolan:

Well see that’s a piece of information I didn’t realise for the background of it. But at the time in 2020 he was, for whatever, whether it was ill purpose and everything like that for political gain. He was the only one that was calling it. And I mean, Trump didn’t call for it. Biden claimed that when he came into office that he ordered up an investigation. But again, you had the foxes in the henhouse that were doing the investigation. I don’t know if you caught this recently, but everybody in the world should understand this. Jeffrey Sachs, who’s all part of the globalist group, economist, he actually called for a commission.

Christine Dolan:

He created 11 tasks force, one of which was on the origin. And Jeffrey just came out earlier in August, I think it was the first week in August. Where he went public and he said that in fact he had realised that when he hired Peter Daszak as the head of that origin task force, that he then hired other people, which he was allowed to do with Jeffrey’s blessing. But then Jeffrey came to the conclusion now in 2022 that in fact everybody that was on the origin task force was lying to him. People that he’d known for decades, because they were all saying, “Don’t look over here at the lab. It must be in nature.”

Christine Dolan:

And what caught my eye two years earlier was when this broke, all of a sudden there was a Lansing Journal article, this is February 2020. And it was written by people I had no idea of any of them, but they all had concluded at the very beginning of this madness that it did not come from a lab leak. And I thought to myself, how would anybody know this because nobody’s done an investigation? The Chinese, the CCP, they’re not forthcoming and you need to have boots on the ground to do this. And I contacted them and I found out things that really haven’t surfaced and the public doesn’t really understand the game that’s at play here. But I will just label these people who authored that article. And we later found out that it was orchestrated by Daszak to basically cover their derrieres. But-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Can we take a break there? Can we take a break there please, Christine and what I’d like to do, you’ve already said that you got onto it in February 2020. That’s well before most people started even thinking about a possibility that it was being rigged. We’ll have a break now and we’ll come back and then I’d like to know how you developed that instinct and then we’ll go into Peter Daszak and others in detail later on in this show.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

But I’d like to understand where the young Christine Dolan as a girl started developing these instincts. And how you developed them even further in your university and after university, your early jobs, because you’ve worked in mainstream media. You’re one of the few people in mainstream media that I would trust. So we’ll take a short break and then we’ll be right back with more from Christine Dolan.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Welcome back to the Senator Malcolm Roberts Show. And I’ve got a very important guest, Christine Dolan, who has worked in all of the major networks in the United States. She’s had many years as an investigative reporter. She’s investigated slavery and her work has been acclaimed by Heads of States and diplomats. Members of the European Parliament, U.S. Congress, members of the OSC in Vienna, U.S. Department of Defence, Interpol, FBI. This lady has been around. She’s actually trained some of the investigators in how to do their job. Let’s understand first, Christine, what turned little Christine as a girl into a bulldog investigative reporter? What were the key things that influenced you as a child? Where did you go to university? What did you study? What did you graduate at? And then where you came into your first job?

Christine Dolan:

I was an Irish Catholic raised Sacred Heart girl. I went to-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Oh, so we know where the bulldog comes from then?

Christine Dolan:

The Bulldog, yeah. And then I went to Georgetown University, undergrad. I went to the Business School, majored in economics. And then I went directly into law school. Hated [inaudible 00:22:01]. Hated my second year. And then I said the hell with this, because I didn’t want to be a lawyer. I had a job as a criminal investigator for defendants with the Public of Defender’s Office. And I loved being in the field. I loved gathering information. And so that was my first instinct. And then I applied to 72 radio television stations in sales and in news. I had no idea how to get into the news business, but I also knew that I always wanted to go into the news business. I never really wanted to be a lawyer, I just thought that I’d get a law degree because I thought it might be helpful. And I disappointed my father and my mother when I said I was not going to go back to law school. And I was pretty dramatic about it.

Christine Dolan:

I didn’t take my second year spring exams. So I made a definitive statement and then I asked my father to pay for me to have these 72 interviews I lined up in eight cities. Because I didn’t want to live in a small town. I wanted to start, I wanted to see if I could get my foot and door at the networks. And I was hired on the spot guys in the news division. And some guys in the sales divisions wanted to hire me. But they said, “No, no, no, no, you belong in the news division.”

Christine Dolan:

So I first started off at ABC News, I worked for a guy named Kevin Delaney who was terrific. He was on the roof of the embassy in Saigon, so he had covered Vietnam. I ended up working for Hal Bruno, who was a legend in the news business. He had uncovered the Chappaquiddick story for Newsweek. And then he came over to ABC News and I worked as a researcher off air reporter for him. He taught me so well that I then jumped to CNN and became the first woman political director and his counterpart. So we competed against one another, but we were friends for 33 years. And then after that I started my own production company focused on Africa-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And how old were you then?

Christine Dolan:

… An international policy show.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

How old were you then, Christine, when you started your own show?

Christine Dolan:

I was in my thirties. I was in my thirties when I did that. And then I had an opportunity to, I was asked to be the spokesperson for the USA Nelson Mandela tour in 1990, which I did because I thought Mandela, I was an awe of him as a human being. But I had an international policy show on PBS, and that was in the nineties when we were trying to get Americans to be more interested in foreign policy. There were very few, the networks weren’t really covering it the way that they could have. And this was before MSNBC and Fox Cable was even on the air and it’s CNN. We had in the eighties, we had, oh my gosh, 24 hours of news. But we had repeats of shows. And so I came up with Inside Politics, which was the first ever daily political show to teach people about-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yours was the first in the United States?

Christine Dolan:

It was the first daily political show, and it was in the eighties before Fox or MSNBC was ever created. They weren’t created until the late nineties. And the goal of the show is to teach people about politics. But it is not what it is today. I mean now it’s been on the year now over 30 years. But it’s the vision of it that I had then certainly has been changed by the management at CNN. But so I’ve always been out there wanting to get ahead of where the news was. And I like to do investigations. I like to do long investigations. When I was commissioned for human trafficking, I was so horrified that the cops put me through a real ringer to test me if I was a tabloid journalist. And I said to them at the time, “Look, well travelled, I’ve been around the block, I’ve been around the world. I’m seasoned.” So I thought, “but I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Christine Dolan:

When I interviewed Paul Holmes, who was the head of the Interpol Trafficking Committee in June of 2000, I asked him point blank. How young are the victims? And he said, infants. In one ear out the other, because I had no context. Two weeks later I met with Carlos Shepherd, who’s a forensic profiler, probably one of the best in Europe. And a woman named Yola Bolebrek. And I told him, I met this nice cop in London and he’s telling me this and I just don’t have any contexts. And they said, “Christine, it’s true.” And I said, “Well, if it’s true, then people have to educate me.” Because I’ve covered three wars by that point. And then the next thing I know is I get a phone call the next day and Yola Bolebrek tells me I passed the test and I said, “What was the test?”

Christine Dolan:

And she said, “We just needed to know how serious you were. John Ernst wants to meet you.” I said, “Who’s he?” And she said, “Take a train to the Heg. And he was head of the porn unit at the hag and he brought me on the inside and these guys taught me. And the advantage I had as a journalist at the time where cops have to be invited into a foreign country to do an investigation. And they have to have a task force and everything like that. That wasn’t really coordinated for this in 2000. And so as a journalist, I was able to go from country to country. And to get that story because once these guys really made me realise how evil this was, it was beyond Rwanda. I realised then and there, this is the depth of hell and people just did not know.

Christine Dolan:

They know that slavery is immoral, but they didn’t realise at the turn of the 21st century that it was alive and well. It just had a different picture on it. So I took every risk and I dressed up as a hooker, hung out with transvestites who actually, most of them are victims of child abuse, in red light districts because they have their own corner. I don with the mafia and everything like that. And I was able to get the story. And to do what the cops were not able to do. And then I decided to take on the Catholic church. So the one thing that we learned is what are the criminal tools? What are the tools of the trade that people use to commit the crime and to cover it up. And I can tell you that it’s a team of people, just like in the Catholic church where it wasn’t just the Cardinals that covered up. It wasn’t just the auxiliary bishops that covered it up.

Christine Dolan:

It was the Vatican, it was the lawyers, it was the state legislatures that had laws that said that if you were abused, you could only report it after three years when some people have regressive memories. And it doesn’t come back for a long period of time because of compounded trauma in their brain. So when the COVID story came up and there was chaos at the beginning of 2020. I don’t know when the story really hit you guys down there in Australia, Malcolm, but I know that I was on some phone calls with some business leaders in Australia who were talking to some people at Gavi and CEPI. And a friend of mine, allowed me to listen in. I knew that was what the people from Gavi and CEPI were saying to the business leaders in Australia was absolute nonsense.

Christine Dolan:

I just happened to know a lot of nurses. I was asking nurses across America, What are you seeing in the ICUs? What are you seeing in the ERs, emergency rooms? And they were telling me, we’re killing people with the ventilators. So I’ve got the Lancet report in February 2020, that doesn’t make any sense to me. These people that had, were the authors of the report were telling me what they do as for a living in terms of hunting for 1.6 million viruses. To obtain the 25 coronavirus family viruses and to figure out if they’re transmissible to human beings, which then would create a seasonal vaccine for everybody in the world for all these 25 coronaviruses. Now to me, at that point in time, I’m thinking these people are pretty crazy and this is Frankenstein’s business. This is Frankenstein science. But the thing is, they actually were funded by the US. It was under a project called PREDICT Project at USAID.

Christine Dolan:

They were in operating in 30 countries. They had labs all over the world. People have to understand, when you think about this, think about the bat woman in the Chinese Wuhan lab. She’s part of the team. And the people who wrote that, who authored that Lancet article in February 2020, all belonged to that. Peter Daszak, he was one of the people that was on who authored that article. And he’s involved with gain of function. But I’m learning this all on the first six weeks of coronavirus shutting down America. I’m talking to the nurses, I’m talking to international scientists and doctors who are trying to get money to come up with something that can reduce the COVID viral load in the body. And what they were telling me is that the ventilators was the wrong procedure.

Christine Dolan:

This disease, for lack of a better word, pardon me, caused blood clots. People in hospitals should be put on blood thinners, antioxidants. And what these guys were trying to do is to get government money or some money to create X, Y, and Z that would reduce the viral load in the body that’s causing all this disaster. And they weren’t getting the money. And then all of a sudden we moved to May or June and Fauci is… Oh no, I have to go back to April. April 2020, Fauci is at the White House sitting on the sofa. Dr. Bricks is there, Trump’s in the room and he’s saying, Remdesivir is a safe drug. And I know somebody who died from Remdesivir, and I’m thinking none of this makes any sense. And instinctively I know if you have this much chaos, there’s a cover up here someplace.

Christine Dolan:

And then as you know, six weeks later, vax was the only answer. And telling me that vax is the only answer is telling me as a war correspondent, that war is the only answer that makes no sense to me. So that I knew right then and there by June, this was nonsense. And the only person in the world I wanted to talk to was Bobby Kennedy. And I had dated one of his cousins when we were all kids. And I called my late friend’s brother and I said, “Give me his cell phone number.” And I called Bobby at the time and I said, “I’m going to get into this because this is medical trafficking.” One of the things that when people think of human trafficking, they think of sex labour, internet, street. I created a model for the different faces of human trafficking, child soldiers, sex tourism, ritual abuse, torture, organ trafficking.

Christine Dolan:

And then you have medical trafficking. And I had concluded by August of 2020 that this was medical trafficking. But again, I’m humbled up to have to say I didn’t fully understand the form of corruption at that point. It was an instinct with me. But after the campaign is when I called Bobby and he said, “I want you to meet two people.” I met with the two people that they gave me 25 books to read. I read the 25 books and I was absolutely confirmed that this was medical trafficking. And I think I’ve sent you the film that I released in July of 2021. And it is the most unregulated, unaccountable, human medical experiment in the history of mankind.

Christine Dolan:

There’s not a doubt in my mind about this or hard or soul or anything right now. What I do know about investigations is the longer that the fraud goes on, people make mistakes, guilt sets in. And so after the 2020 campaign, there were two areas that I wanted to organise. I wanted to find pharma whistle blowers on the inside of Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer and Moderna, and any other pharmaceutical companies here in the United States who had any association with the Gates Foundation, CEPI, WHO vaccinations, even if they weren’t COVID. That were going to move into the mRNAs because they are going to move into the mRNA shots for flu, malaria, aids, tuberculosis, and god knows what else is on the recipe. And then I-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So this is just the tip of the iceberg we’ve seen so far?

Christine Dolan:

That’s right. And then the second group that I wanted to develop was the COVID vaccination injured. And so I started talking to the vaccinated injured. Because we had, I don’t want to call them clinical trials, but we had trials. So they called them clinical trials in 2020 before the rollout. We got the rollout here in the United States in December. I don’t know when it was in Australia. So I want to define Vaccine injury from the so-called clinical trials here in the States, which I did. And then during the rollout. And most of those people were terrified of being called anti-vax. They didn’t want to go on the record, they didn’t want to go on the camera. And so I spent the first, I guess it was the first January till around June. And talking to these people, and what I realised was they were talking to NIH, CDC, FDA, NIAID.

Christine Dolan:

They even wrote a letter to all of them plus the White House in May of 2021. By June, I called one of the authors of that Lancet February, 2020 article. And I said to him, “What do you thinks going on with the rollout?” Now keep this in mind, this is June, 2020. We don’t have a lot of breakthrough cases at that point in time, which means that vaccinated people getting COVID, those were under reported if they existed at that point in time. And this guy says to me, “We have to do better on the messaging that the vaccines are safe and effective and prevent transmissibility and prevent the disease.” And I said to him, “Well, what about the vax injured?” And he said, “Christine, they’re urban legends.” And that really threw me back. And I said, “You can try that on somebody else, but I’m just too old for that.”

Christine Dolan:

I said, “I’m talking to people.” And he said, “Yeah, but if there’s three million vaccinations and 325,000 of them are injured with blood clots, we have treatment for blood clots.” I said, “I have not spoken to one vaccinated injured person who only has one thing wrong with them.” There was neurological, there was cardio, there was vascular injuries that doctors at the ERs in the hospitals didn’t know how to treat them. People were not reporting them to theirs. These, a lot of these people happened to be a lot of women who had a lot of menstrual problems that they didn’t want to talk about on camera. But they were telling me as a woman.

Christine Dolan:

And they ranged from very irregular periods to women who were postmenopausal getting their period after their shots. I mean, it was a disaster. One woman was actually put into a psych ward. Doctors were telling them they were suffering from anxiety and depression. It was just unbelievable trauma for these people. It was like talking to my first trafficked victims over 20 years ago. They were traumatised by it. A lot of them were in the healthcare industry. They were not getting the care from their own colleagues. They were getting gaslighted by their own colleagues. They were disappointed by what was going on. Some of them even worked for pharmaceutical companies. They couldn’t believe what was going on inside their industry.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Can we take a break now, please, Christina. We’ll come back and go into this in. We’ll let you continue because this is riveting stuff. I love the way your instinct has kicked in so early in this whole fiasco, this whole… Well, I think it’s genocide myself. And so let’s take a break and we’ll be back with Christine Dolan.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

This is Senator Malcolm Roberts on today’s news talk radio where the only thing that we mandate is the truth. And we’ve got a real truth teller here because she’s used her instincts to get right to the core of issues all over the world. Child trafficking, slavery and now she’s telling us about medical trafficking. So Christine Dolan, please continue. And I’d like to know more about Peter Daszak when it suits you please. And also it seems that there is some criminal activity or anti-human genocidal activity, people who just don’t give damn about human life. And then there seems to be a lot of group think and people just following slavishly. What else is going on here?

Christine Dolan:

I think Malcolm, the one thing I had to do in these books that Bobby’s colleagues recommended that I read. I had to get up in the history of the pharma corruption, because we in America, and I don’t know what it’s like down there in Australia. But we in America are pharmaceutically addicted. 75% is, 80% of the people in America are on prescription drugs. We’re the first countries-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

75?

Christine Dolan:

75% to 80% of Americans are on prescription drugs. We have gone through Valium in the sixties was an epidemic. We’ve gone through the opiates just like you guys have. And it’s been all over the world. We’ve gone through fentanyl is the biggest thing now. People are just drinking fentanyl here. It’s amazing what it’s doing to kids. We’ve legalised pot, but the pot today is cut with fentanyl. So we have the highest overdoses since, I think it’s last year in the history of America. So we have a drug attitude here that is pervasive. And there’s a belief in the medical divinity of the white coat. So if people see, and doctors have told me this, if somebody sees a commercial on TV and they’re depressed, then it’s a new drug. And well doctor, “Why don’t you give me that one because the last one didn’t work.”

Christine Dolan:

So people are actually asking for something because it’s advertised. And I had to go back and take a look at the pharma. The rules and regulations of the game for criminality are very clear, which you have to know. You have to be humble enough and curious enough to ask the questions. How did this come to be? And so we know here in the United States that going back to 1986 under the Reagan administration, Congress passed a bill. Reagan signed it. And that basically gave carte blanche to the pharmaceutical companies having no liability for any of the vaccinations that are out there. Because there were a lot of vaccination injuries prior to that time. And I’m not going to doubt whether anybody’s heart was in the right place, but basically it was carte blanche to the pharmaceutical companies for mumps, measles, rubella, mercury, everything went off the charts.

Christine Dolan:

And there are people who in fact have been harmed, their families have been harmed. And underneath that bill, there was a kangaroo court that was set up, but it’s not like your normal civil criminal court. If you want to get any money in compensation for having a family member hurt with a vaccination in those days. You have to apply like a Catholic Victims of Compensation fund or a Jeffrey Epstein Victims Compensation Fund. You file it with HHS, the Department of Justice attorneys handle it. You’re not allowed to even subpoena the pharmaceutical companies for any documents. I mean, it’s wild stuff. And if people don’t know if they’re not affected by this in the past, they’re not going to be able to recognise what was going on in 2020. So I had to take a deep dive going back and figure it out. I had to take a look at the different players.

Christine Dolan:

Who are these people that are involved in this Frankenstein, Corona virus hunters world. Peter Daszak is one of them. Who’s involved with the labs? Peter Daszak is one of them. How did this get funded in these labs that are ranked by 2, 3 4, which is fourth being I think is the highest in terms of security and standards of practise. Is it regulated? No, it’s not regulated. This is having nuclear weapons all over the world with no regulations. And that’s what people don’t understand. I did an hour and a half interview with one of those authors just recently. His name is Dennis Carol. And he was overseeing the PREDICT Project at USAID and it ran for 10 years during. It was started, I think it was at the beginning of the Obama administration. And then it was stopped.

Christine Dolan:

And then during the Trump administration, somebody got around the fact that they could, the PREDICT Project wasn’t stopped, that the gain of function was stopped within the PREDICT project. And this is when they go out to the bat caves, they get these coronaviruses, take it to a lab, they fool around with it to see if it’s transmissible. And they really do have a goal of going out and hunting for 1.6 million. They say that there’s 25,000 different families of coronaviruses of that 1.6 million viruses they want to hunt for. When they had the PREDICT Project, they found 1200 that were transmissible. And it’s a very dangerous industry. I didn’t know anything about it. And I would predict that probably most politicians and world leaders don’t really know about this and how lethal it is. But there’s no oversight.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

But what I’ve noticed, Christine, is that parliament, and I’m listening to Ron Paul, he’s implied much the same as I’m about to say about Congress as I’ve learned about parliament. People in Parliament, the public don’t respect them, but at the same time, they seem to follow slavishly, whatever they say. And what we’ve seen in Parliament and in your Congress is sheep. And they have very little inquisitive. If we had Congress and a Senate full of people like you, America would be wonderfully run because people ask questions, but the politicians don’t.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

They just seem to follow slavishly. They’re afraid of saying, I’m sorry, I don’t know. And I’ve noticed quite frankly that women are more likely to say, “Hey, I need some help. Hey, I’m sorry I made a mistake. Hey, I’m wrong, can you please help me? Hey, I don’t know the answer to this question. Can you give me that hand?” And it’s the men who tend to be more like sheep, not all men of course. But what I’m getting to is the institutions, because you just stunned me. You said that there’s no regulation around this area. I thought it was so highly regulated.

Christine Dolan:

No, no. There’s no, that’s a myth. It’s not regulated. And I’ll tell you the reason why, the American politicians in Washington DC on both sides of the aisle, do not ask these questions. The money, okay, we’ve got campaign financing that’s just off the charts here. But the Pharmaceutical Manufacturing and Research Association, which is the Federal Trade Association that gives out money to people on Capitol Hill. There are very few politicians in Capitol Hill that have only taken six figures over the years. It’s a very powerful, very powerful trade association.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So you’re saying many have taken seven figures?

Christine Dolan:

Yes.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Many members of Congress-

Christine Dolan:

Over the years-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

… have taken seven figures

Christine Dolan:

… Because it’s over the years. I’m talking about cumulatively. I can tell you that Romney has probably taken millions. So this is, you take the money for the donations, they spent over 300 million, pardon me, in 2020 alone. But then also in the States, I had to ask myself, “Why did Governor DeWine from Ohio announced the lottery in 2021 to get people to take the VAX?” And then all of a sudden I realised talking to some people in Ohio, how vast the money is flowing into the state legislatures. And I think I told you this before Malcolm privately, I even listened in on the White House office of faith based phone calls. Starting immediately after Biden was inaugurated.

Christine Dolan:

So this was mid-February 2021. And I heard the people on that end of the phone talking to thousands of people all over the world, I mean all over the country. That they wanted the churches, which had been closed down in America for 2020 to hold “COVID events” because they’re places of trust in community to validate vaccinations. Now think about that. They wanted the churches to host the COVID events, to get the vaccines, to validate them because they’re places of trust. On that one phone call mid-February of 2021, the Biden White House is telling the faith based leaders to in fact get married to the leaders in the Black communities as well as unions. Although specific unions were not mentioned in that phone call. So this is-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So they’re just tying it up. They’re tying it up.

Christine Dolan:

They’re tying it up-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And they’re exploiting trust.

Christine Dolan:

They’re flashing it, they’re selling, it is such a level of diabolical human behaviour. And then you have to say, “Why the hell do they want to do this? Is it just because of pharma? Is it because of money? Is it because of the globalism? Is it because of world economic form? Is it because of WHO?” And then you have to take a look at this year alone. In January of this year, the woman who handles the global policy at the HHS here in the States got your country, our country, all of Europe, 47 countries together to sign on for amendments to the WHO to amend the 2005 International Health regulations. And basically is getting all these 47 of the countries to say, “We want to put our health sovereignty onto the WHO.” Isn’t that a clever thing to do because you can’t sue the WHO.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Let’s just pause there for a minute, please. Because what you are showing now is why you claim there’s medical trafficking and you’ve made a good case. You’ve seen child trafficking, human trafficking, slave trafficking, and now you’re making the case for medical trafficking. It’s due to corruption-

Christine Dolan:

Yeah, but before-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Before we go on, we are not going to cover anything like a fraction of what you know Christine. So is there somewhere people can go to learn more about what you do, what CDM does, Your colleague Todd, website, How do they learn more about what Christine Dolan knows?

Christine Dolan:

I’m not on social media. I don’t like Zuckerberg, I don’t like Dorsey. I am on CDM media. If you just go to Google and put in cdm.press, you’ll see American conversations in the upper right hand corner. We’re broken it down with interviews with vax injured, medical tyranny, which gets into doctors that can’t speak out. And I have a global show taking on the WHO and the globalist every Sunday live on our website. It’s a global conversation and plain site, it’s exposing it. And that is at 12:30 PM Eastern time in the United States for everybody all over the world. One thing I just want to say before we go because I know we are running out of time.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Can we, before you continue with that, and I’d love you to continue with that. We’ve only got about three minutes left and then we have a hard cut. So away you go. Take the last three minutes, Christine.

Christine Dolan:

Okay. So I want to explain to your audience when we talk about medical trafficking, because of my body of work over 22 years ago, I helped shape the context for defining human trafficking. And the best way to understand human trafficking is that you just take a human being. If you defraud, lie coerce, force somebody for whether it’s sex, labour, child soldiers, sex tourism, doesn’t matter, internet, street to remove their organs. That is considered trafficking. So if you just put, for commercial profit, a human being defrauding, lying to, coercing, forcing, for X, Y, and Z-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Exploiting.

Christine Dolan:

Exploit, that is considered trafficking exploit. And we know that these people are making money. Why are they doing this? The one thing that everybody in the world should do, every politician should do, is to demand from their government to get a copy of J and J, Moderna and Pfizer’s contracts that were given to their country to get access to that foreign citizenship. To put these injections into these people. It’s very important to get those contracts. I’m collecting these contracts as much as I possibly can. I’m going to cross reference these contracts, but I know that those three pharmaceutical companies are asking foreign governments to not make them liable in case there’s any harm done. They want the same lack of liability that they have here in the United States.

Christine Dolan:

In some countries they’re asking for collateral damage. And some of the documents they’re saying to the foreign governments, if you order two million in May, we’re going to decide when you’re going to deliver them. But if there’s a cure for COVID, if between the time that you sign this contract and they are delivered, you’re still going to have to pay for those vaccinations. And this is what really gets crazy. Why the hell would anybody in any foreign government sign a contract like that? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And the only reason why somebody would do it, I dare suggest, is because somebody took a bribe.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, it’s about the money. But I think it’s also in the case of the World Health Organisation, which is corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, fraudulent. It’s about control on behalf of the United Nations and the World Economic Forum and let’s face. These big pharma control, that’s what they want. They want us as slaves to buy their products, get sick on their products, so they give us another product to remove the symptoms. We’ve got about a minute. Christine, anything else you want to say?

Christine Dolan:

Well, that recycle makes a lot of sense why Bill Gates would be involved with it. Because I don’t know about you, but I didn’t own a Mac until two and a half years ago. During 2020, I used PCs. Every time that my PC would break, I would have to get a new one. I would have to go out and I have to buy a new Windows. So it was a recycled model for economic profit. And that’s why I think he’s so attracted to the vaccinations and people need to understand this is not a man who has an altruistic interest in help.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I’m going to have to cut it off there, Christine, because we’ve got 15 seconds. I just want to thank you so much for being here. You are so clear, so precise, you’ve got a wealth of experience. We need people like you to do more of what you’re doing, speaking up to expose these globalist predators, these bastards who are exploiting people. Thank you so much, Christine. Look forward to talking with you again.

Christine Dolan:

Thank you, Malcolm. I look forward to seeing you and talking to you again. Bye.

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George Christensen joins me on the Malcolm Roberts show for TNT Radio to talk about his upbringing, crony capitalism and how to stop the globalist march through our country.

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Announcer 1:

You’re with Senator Malcolm Roberts on today’s news talk radio, TNT.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Thank you so much for listening in today. We have another special guest. This guest is breaking into the media, whereas Christine Dolan was part of the mainstream media and now is setting a new chart and doing investigations to take her beyond the mainstream media. George Christensen is my next guest. Now George was in the National Party, part of the LNP coalition, and he had had enough of politics, so he got out and he’s doing a stellar job in informing people because by way of his own broadcasting, his own work in the media, so I’m going to ask him to talk about that. So welcome, George.

George Christensen:

Thanks very much, Malcolm. Great to be on your show.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And I must say it’s a pleasure having you, because we didn’t engage that much until you actually joined our party. And you’re not here because you’re a member of our party now, but I got to work with you during the election campaign and I loved working with you. You’re frank, you’re direct and you’re bloody well informed. You don’t open your gob unless it’s factually based. So before we start, what do you appreciate, anything at all?

George Christensen:

Well, without making it a mutual admiration society here, can I say I appreciate you Malcolm, and I appreciate what you’ve just said, but you are an absolute warrior. You are a warrior in the Senate, and it’s fantastic to see you in full flight, exposing the globalists, exposing the vaccine madness, exposing the World Economic Forum, the climate change myth, all the rest of it. Malcolm, you do a fantastic job for the Australian public.

George Christensen:

Now that we’re done with that, and I really do mean it but now that we’re done with the mutual backslapping, can I just say, you asked me the question what do I appreciate? Well, look, I appreciate freedom most of all. Freedom and liberty, Malcolm. These are the two fundamentals for any flourishing and functioning society, and without it we don’t have a functioning society or a flourishing society. We have a dictatorship or a totalitarian society which will eventually stagnate and die. So that’s what I appreciate most of all.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Okay. Thank you so much, and thank you for your kind words too. I know they’re sincere because that’s the way you operate and that’s what has drawn me to you. Where were you born? Let’s understand what makes George tick, because I know that that freedom is deeply ingrained in you. You went to journalism, part of the way through. Now you’re going back to journalism. But I get the sense that your inquisitiveness was developed at an early age, and your sense of truthfulness. So tell us where were you born and what shaped your early years, and what sort of parents did you have, what sort of influences?

George Christensen:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, I was born in Mackay, didn’t move far from that spot obviously. I was raised there, educated there, had my first job there and started a career in journalism there. Served on the local council there.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So what was your first job?

George Christensen:

Well, my first job was actually sweeping the floor in my dad’s shed, although that’s not a real job, just got paid pocket money. But my first job actually was… Well, I had some part-time gigs at university. I wouldn’t even consider them real jobs. I was a factory worker in a newspaper printery actually. It was a casual work that I did at university to help pay the bills. But the first proper job-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

What were you studying at uni, George? Journalism?

George Christensen:

Journalism. Journalism, yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Okay, so you got a job in one of the newspapers.

George Christensen:

Yes. That was my first job in Mackay, at a newspaper that’s now closed down. It was one of those free local sort of community newspapers called the Pioneer News. So it wasn’t national or international, hard hitting stories, but it was about the local community and people appreciate to know what’s going on in the local community, who’s doing what, who’s helping, what issues there are. So that was where I cut my teeth in journalism, Malcolm. Yeah. But look, as I said-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Is that why you went into journalism?

George Christensen:

No. Look, it’s an interesting story as to why I went into journalism. I mean, just to go back to your last question, I grew up in a very, I don’t want to stretch this too far but a poor family comparable to others. My father lost his leg to cancer at the age of 19, and so he was a disability pensioner when I was born although he was very much trying to get out of that by doing anything and everything. He was a taxi driver actually for most of the time when I was a little kid. My mother also had a disability. She was an epileptic. And the reason them two met was they met in a rehabilitation centre actually, so it was because of their disabilities that brought them together and the fact that I’m here. So I was one of those kids that went to school barefoot, because Mum and Dad at the time couldn’t afford to buy new shoes. You know, that was my growing up.

George Christensen:

So university seemed like not really something that I thought too strongly about while I was in primary school, I guess no one does, even in the younger years of high school, but I started to think about going off to university. Now, I was pretty good at English, at modern history, ancient history, even study of society, that sort of thing at high school, and I actually got a pretty good enough OP, good enough to get accepted into a law degree, and that was my first option. I got admitted to a law degree at Griffith University and was going to go off and do that. It was actually… I think it was a double degree, a Bachelor of Laws and a Bachelor of Public Policy. So that’s what I was interested in doing, but the reality then had to be looked at, and the reality was that Mum and Dad didn’t have enough finances to support me leaving home, moving somewhere else, down to Brisbane and setting up shop, so I had to then make another decision based on what was the financial reality for the family.

George Christensen:

And so we had a very fledgling university in Mackay at that time. It was really a sub campus, a sort of an outpost of central Queensland University which was mainly based in Rockhampton at that stage but they offered first year courses in Mackay. And so I started my university studies there doing a combined Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Business degree. I eventually dropped off the business component of it and just focused on the Arts, but my major was in Journalism, although I did what we would call a minor in Sociology as well while I was there at university. So I went off to Rockhampton for three years to finish those studies and graduated. I looked, after I finished university, at actually going back and doing what I wanted, a law degree. I’ve got to say, I got two units in and then I pulled the pin because I was pretty much studied out at that stage, Malcolm.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, I can understand that. But what I’m picking up from what you’re saying, between the lines, is that you’ve got a fascination with people. You want to understand what makes people tick. And I’ve noticed you are pretty incisive when it comes to seeing what’s going on. Just like Christine Dolan, my previous guest, I don’t know if you listened to her, but you can see what’s going on as some kind of instinct. Is that because of your early journalism?

George Christensen:

Well, look, I was always interested. I said that the subjects that I did well at, at high school, were the study of society, modern history in particular, ancient history a bit, and English. And there’s a common thread through those subjects. I mean, the study of events, the study of major ideas, the study of English language and literature, which forms those ideas. So I was very much interested in ideas, I got to say, and events that were going on that had a major relationship with those big ideas, and I still am today. So going into journalism I guess, there was somewhat of a step backwards, as there has to be. I mean, the young man that aspires to be an astronaut doesn’t immediately fly into space. He’s going to go through training. He’s going to learn to be a pilot. He’s going to do all those sorts of things.

George Christensen:

So stepping down and getting at the grassroots level and understanding what makes a local community tick through this newspaper I worked for, the Pioneer News, was very, very good grounding actually. I’ve got to say I didn’t work there for all that long because, and this is public knowledge although I don’t talk too much about it, at that stage I had a very, very strong feeling or urging, I can’t explain it, to explore the Catholic priesthood, and so I actually left my job to go to a seminary. I had gone on a trial basis for two weeks and then I came back, and then there was a decision to go back again that had to be made. And I pulled the pin right at the last minute on it, which left me sort of stranded because there I was, having quit my job thinking that I definitely was going to go down this track, and then at the last minute I decided, no, I’m not going to do it because there was numerous factors at play.

George Christensen:

My family were very much against it, and that also led me to reevaluating the decision, I guess, and those two factors combined led me to not pursue it. But that goes to another thing that’s a very strong part of me, and that is my belief in a higher power, in God, my belief fundamentally in the Christian faith. I don’t pretend to be a saint, Malcolm. I don’t pretend to be a saint. There’s been more blue words come out of my mouth than most sailors, right? So I’ve never pretended to be a saint, but I do have a very, very strong belief in Jesus Christ and in the Christian faith, so that has remained with me from then on. And it goes into part of my belief in bigger ideas. When you see the world through that particular worldview, that Christian worldview, you are interested in the ideas and ultimately you are interested in the battle between good and evil.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah. Could you expand on that? Because you know, good and bad are two words I try to avoid using, because what might be good for a farmer is rain, what might be good for a tourist operator is sunshine. But good and evil, and how do we express that in everyday language. Not everyday language, how do we see it in our communities? Because, you know, there are… Well, yeah, I’ll leave it to you.

George Christensen:

Well, that’s a really big question.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

It is.

George Christensen:

Look, there’s some things that are relative, right? Like what you said, rain might be good for a farmer, at the same time it might be bad for the guy who’s… I don’t know.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Running a tourism operation.

George Christensen:

A cricket aficionado or a tourism operation, or the person who’s just planned a family barbecue, so those things are relative. But look, I think that there are some things that are not relative. There is good. There is good in humanity, and what is good? Well, good is selflessness. Good is the service of others before yourself, without the want for reward. So that is good, I think, Malcolm. And we express that even, putting aside the Christian faith or any form of religion. What is the one thing that is sacrosanct in Australian culture, and the answer is it’s the Anzac spirit.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And mateship?

George Christensen:

Yes, yes. Mateship is almost fused with that sense of the Anzac spirit, because these were people who laid down their life for a greater cause and for their friend. And so that is the spirit of goodness I think, and it shines through actually in Australian culture. Not just Australian culture, but just an example of how that permeates our culture.

George Christensen:

Evil on the other hand, and I don’t want to get too much into this but you’ve asked me the question. I think that we know absolute evil when we confront it, and not everyone is confronted by it but we know it when we see it. It is a place that is completely and utterly void of that goodness.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

They’re taking a life.

George Christensen:

Taking a life.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Stealing.

George Christensen:

Yes. Anything that’s void of that selflessness, even small acts. And again, I don’t pretend to be a saint. Have I engaged in stuff that is wrong? Everyone has. There is not a single man or woman on the planet who hasn’t sort of walked at least a couple of steps into that darker side. There’s only one man who’s walked the planet who hasn’t I believe, and that is Jesus Christ. But absolute evil is another thing, and when you’re… So I speak to a lot of priests and other ministers of-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Can we… Can we-

George Christensen:

Yeah, yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Take a short break there please, George-

George Christensen:

Yes.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And then come back with your point and continue. Because we need to have an ad break now, so let’s do it now.

George Christensen:

Let’s do it.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I’ll be back with George Christensen in just a few minutes.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Welcome back. This is Senator Malcolm Roberts on TNT radio, today’s News Talk Radio, and I’ve got the pleasure of having George Christensen as my guest. Now, George, you were talking, in the middle of, about evil versus good, and you were about to talk about priests. Perhaps we could finish that and then get onto your new role, because you were a maker of laws as a member of parliament, and now you’re a reporter of news and politics. And more than anyone else, you go right down into the depth of things. I’d love to learn more about that, what drives you. So continue with where we were before with good versus evil.

George Christensen:

Well, I’ll end the sermon with this. I mean, I talk to a lot of, well not a lot, but a few different priests and other ministers of religion. I find they’re always good sounding boards for various discussions that I want to have, and some of them are very close friends. And so they talk about there being the difference, and I fundamentally believe this Malcolm, there is a difference between the evil that men do, although it is still evil and it is bereft of that goodness that we talk about, and what we would call absolute evil or the personification of evil.

George Christensen:

And what I’m talking about there is Satan, the devil. I fundamentally believe in that. Some Christians actually don’t, but I think that it does exist and we need to be wary about it. I mean, some people might call me crazy and a kook, but when we look at the world today and we see the zeitgeist, the spirit of the times that weaves its way in our culture, in our society, in our politics, in our economy, in terms of international happenings and institutions, I think that there is something gravely Satanic that’s actually going on in the world right now. I think that this spirit of personified evil has actually captured the world and it’s captured culture. Now-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Let’s continue talking about that. I’m sorry to interrupt you, but I wanted to… A good friend of mine who I’ve got a lot of respect for, he’s pretty switched on, he just sent me a text. He must be listening. He said pure evil is Klaus Schwab, and I think that’s where you’re going, isn’t it?

George Christensen:

Well, yeah. Look, the world economic forum. I just started reading Alex Jones’s new book, The Great Reset and the War on the World, and he speaks about it in these terms. It’s the battle for freedom, or the battle versus authoritarianism, and I think that they can be framed in good versus evil as well. Wanting everyone to be free and be able to pursue their own sense of happiness without infringing on the freedom of others, versus those who want to crush the fellow man and force them to do their will. I mean, that’s the battle of good versus evil, and I see that very strongly in the world today, and certainly out of the World Economic Forum. I wonder about the World Economic Forum. I spend a lot of time focusing on them and the ideas that are coming out through them.

George Christensen:

But I sometimes wonder Malcolm, and this is me speculating, whether it is just merely a front, because they’re so public in some of the things that they come out with, and some of the things are so bizarre. There’s either two things going on. One, it’s just front and we’re being obscured from something else that’s going on. Or two, and this may be the case, they have gotten so far with their agenda that they do not care anymore about hiding it. When you hear bizarre things coming out of the World Economic Forum, such as that they want to have fact checking for our thoughts. You know, the whole thing about transhumanism? When you start going down that rabbit hole, and this is stuff that the world economic forum publishes in their articles, says in their bloody globalist seminars and all the rest of it.

George Christensen:

They’re talking about the fusion of AI with the brain, and they can actually have blocking receptors, so that if there are things, ideas, images, anything, that really is something that goes against society as they see it, that can be blocked from entering the human mind. Just think about how frightening that idea is, how frightening that technology is, but how even more frightening that people would think about deploying it in such a way as the Davos crowd do. So clearly, clearly, that is a battle between good and evil.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Do you think George… I’ve always tended to think about the human spirit, the universal spirit, we’re of our universe. We’re not part of our universe, we’re of our universe, and so there’s a universal unity if you want. So rather than think in terms of good and evil, I tend to think in terms of our real self and our ego.

George Christensen:

Yes.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And you created Georgia, and I created Malcolm, and my ego is the thing that’s hurt me the most-

George Christensen:

True.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Because I can’t believe that I hurt me, but that ego is deliberately doing that so that I reinforce the ego. Because the ego is something I created, so while ever I have that false construct, then the ego survives. So I don’t know if I’m explaining it very well.

George Christensen:

No, you-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So I tend to see things in terms of ego, ego versus our real self, our real self. And our real self would probably be akin to your good, your inherent goodness, the goodness of humanity, which I believe in very strongly. But then the ego takes over and the Adolf Hitler, the Klaus Schwabs, and they want to control. And always beneath control, there is fear, because that bloody ego is afraid it’ll get dissolved.

George Christensen:

Yes. I think we’re talking… We’re using different words, but I think fundamentally we’re talking about the same thing.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah.

George Christensen:

I’ve heard it said like this in probably more philosophical terms, there’s the logos and then there’s the, and I think this is made up word, the alogos. In the Christian parlance, we say Christ is the logos. I mean, in the beginning of John, the Gospel of John, in the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God, or was God. So that, the Word, is actually in Greek, logos. And if you then take it out, I mean, we believe the logos is personified, it’s Jesus Christ. Take it away from that sort of Christian interpretation, what is logos? Logos is rationality. You talked about… I think it was, what did you say? There’s the universal spirit, is that how you described it? Is that your term?

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, the unity of the universal spirit that is through all of us.

George Christensen:

Yeah. Yeah. So I think that what you’re talking about there is rationality, and it’s order but it’s divine order. It’s perfection, the way that the creator intended the entire universe to function. And then chaos breaks out, and this is the source of evil. It’s rebellion against what the divine order is. So whatever semantics you would like to use, I think that fundamentally we’re talking about the same thing. And I think that it just goes down to where we are at the moment. Look, I am not one who’s the defender of the status quo. The status quo is shocking, Malcolm. This is why it’s so easy when they talk about a great reset to capture some people, because people think that that life at the moment is completely crap. Yeah, it should be reset. The problem is it’s the people who’ve made life as bad as it is that are the ones wanting to do the reset, so do you think it’s going to get any better? The-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Bullseye.

George Christensen:

Yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

You just hit the bullseye.

George Christensen:

I mean, it’s crazy. All the mega corporations, all the politicians, all the people who have been pulling the strings and calling the shots for decades, wanting to develop a new world. I mean, whose utopia is that going to be? Now, I get back to the good and evil concept, or logos and alogos. A natural state of things is capitalism, right? And let me expand upon that. Not capitalism as we know it. I think the word has been really… It’s almost passe because capitalism means something dirty to a lot of people, right? Let me use another word-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, and just on that, George. I can’t resist jumping in. I don’t like cutting people off at times, but-

George Christensen:

Yeah, go on.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We don’t have capitalism. So I’m-

George Christensen:

Yeah, that’s right. That’s right.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We have crony capitalism, which is bastardised socialism really, heading on the way to communism. That’s what we’ve gotten, back to feudalism.

George Christensen:

I agree with you.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We have not got capitalism. Perhaps we can talk about that later.

George Christensen:

Oh, look, that’s where I’m going, mate. That’s exactly where I’m going.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

But keep going. Keep going with your thread. I didn’t mean to…

George Christensen:

So, free enterprise, it is the natural order of things.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

That’s it, personal enterprise.

George Christensen:

Malcolm, you might be good at, I don’t know, pick a trade. You might be good at carpentry, right? And I might be good at bricklaying. I need a table and chairs built, and a bed built, and cabinets built. You can go and do that. Guess what? You need a house out of bricks made, so I can go and do that. And that is the true natural economy working. There’s a sense of that goodness I was speaking out about people helping each other, but there’s also reward. They help each other, they help themself, and the entirety of society flourishes in that system. We bring our talents to the table. We share those talents with others for their talents. We do that through a trade that’s eventually been worked out with money, and that is the natural order of things, not just economically, but also in a societal sense.

George Christensen:

So what these globalists are trying to do is to turn all that on its head. They want mega monolithic multinational corporations to be working hand in hand with technocratic governments, where there might be a facade of representational government but the reality is it will be government by experts. And I don’t say that in a polite way-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Technocrats?

George Christensen:

Technocrats. You know, the people who have been saying all the things about the pandemic over the last two years, all the things that we must do, that we’re ought not to do, that have turned out to be so badly wrong and have actually damaged people’s health and damaged the state of our society. These are the people who will be in charge, along with the mega corporations who will be, as they say, working hand in glove with governments to bring about change. Now, who elected them? How is that monolithic corporation bringing something to the table that I can trade with that actually helps better society? I don’t understand that. So it is fundamentally going away from the natural order of things.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Well, let me put a framework to you then. In capitalism, we have the individual ownership of assets and means of production.

George Christensen:

Yes.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And we have individual decisions in terms of allocating those resources. In communism, we have state ownership of the resources and the means of production, and state allocation. Socialism, in my… Just splitting the difference there, is individual ownership of the resources and means of production, but state allocation through regulation. And so we are very, very much into socialism right now. We’re not at capitalism. The other thing is that people think that capitalism is rampant, and it’s not. America’s not at all capitalist. It hasn’t been for a long, long time. And what we see is the need for these regulations to protect us George, from the capitalists. And the people who are making the regulations, or driving the law makers who are making regulations, are the ones who are trying to control things and they use regulation to control, and that’s put us into socialism.

George Christensen:

Yeah. True, true. Look, not every law that government brings out or regulation they bring out is bad. I mean, some of them are designed, and do keep some of these major corporations in check. But the problem is, right, when a regulation is brought in, you’ve got this multi billion dollar corporation which has a suite of people in middle management, lower middle management, upper middle management, all the rest of it. You’ve got these hoards of people in human resources and government relations and government regulatory departments who can actually do this work.

George Christensen:

All it requires sometimes is paperwork and ticking boxes, and they employ people that are very good at paperwork and ticking boxes. But the small business who that regulatory burden also falls upon is made up of Mum, Dad, and maybe a couple of young workers. Well, who’s going to be ticking all the boxes and filling in all the paperwork for them that it falls on as well? And so that’s why small business drowns in the paperwork, yet big corporations seem to flourish with it because they’ve just got all the people. So regulation in itself, when it falls on both big and small, actually works in favour of big business.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Oh, exactly. And I think George, that regulation is there for big business, because you look at the IR club. The fundamental responsibility in industrial relations, especially in a small business, in any business, is the workplace relationship between employer and employee. And if the employees want to organise themselves and get a bit more clout by having an honest union delegate, good luck to them. That’s their right. But what we see now in this country is the IR club, which comprises lawyers, consultants, HR practitioners, big business, multinationals quite often, trying to bulldoze their way through, union bosses in some large unions. We see these people clubbing together, and what they do is they make regulations so damn complex, so long, so detailed, that the honest worker cannot understand it, the honest business manager cannot understand it.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And so they have to go to lawyers. Hello, look, who’s making money. They have to go to union bosses who are feathering their nests and looking for their careers. They have to go to multinationals, and do a deal with them that favours multinationals. The whole thing is set up for this IR club, and the same happens with banks. You and I should be able to form a bank, but it’s so difficult because the regulations protect the major banks and give them control. The regulations are set up for the big controllers.

George Christensen:

Mate, while we’re talking about IR, can I ask you a question? You’re a Senator. I know it’s your show, but I’d be interested in your thoughts right now on this jobs and skills summit. I have mine, but I’m interested in your thoughts on it because that’s a hot topic at the moment.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I haven’t given it a lot of thought, George, because quite frankly, look at the basics of it. Anthony Albanese came to the last election with a plan. He sold us. He told us. He had a plan. When the election was over and he was in power with 32% of the vote, he suddenly told us his plan was about going to ask people for their plans. He had no bloody plan. And the job summit is just a facade for the ACTU, big union bosses and big multinational players to organise the deals to suit themselves. It’ll be, yet again, another way of entrenching the IR club, the industrial relations club, and small businesses and workers will be left out. I mean, I don’t know if you know how much work we’ve been doing on Central Queensland and especially the Hunter Valley with regard to the exploitation of casuals. That’s an absolute disgrace that was enabled by union bosses and colluding with multinational companies.

George Christensen:

Big business. Yeah, yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And I’m not talking about the mining companies. I’m talking about the labour hire people who are part of Recruit Holdings in Japan, the largest labour hire firm in the world through Chandler Macleod in Australia. And Chandler Macleod has received 2.4 billion dollars in the last four years, in the preceding four years, from the federal government for labour hire services. I mean, these people are all working together, and who pays for 40% less wages? The worker. Who pays for loss of worker’s compensation and basic security and entitlements? The worker. Who pays for the exploitation? The worker pays. And we’ve got big unions, union bosses, big multinationals, and big labour hire firms, colluding. Not all the labour hire firms, but just some of them. And this, they’re exploiting, George.

George Christensen:

They are. They clearly are.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

The job summit will perpetuate that.

George Christensen:

Look, I think it’s going to be even worse than that, Malcolm. And I’ll get off this, because I know this is not the topic you wanted to be discussing, but these are important right now.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

No, no, I’m here to listen to George Christensen. I want people to hear what you… Because you’re a good thinker. So go for it, whatever topic you want.

George Christensen:

There was an article in Macro Business the other day on jobs and skills summit, and often some of the stuff on Macro Business I disagree with, some that I agree, so it’s a bit of pick and choose. And this one had me nodding from go to whoa, and it was summed up with this thing, and I just can’t believe it because the unions were in charge of this jobs and skills summit, right?

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Excuse me, George.

George Christensen:

And they’ve been-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I just realised the time-

George Christensen:

Oh, dear.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And I’m enjoying the conversation with you. Can we have another ad break and then come back with your story?

George Christensen:

Let’s do it.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, okay.

George Christensen:

Let’s do it.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

We’ll be back. This is Senator Malcolm Roberts with George Christensen. We’ll be back in just a minute.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And this is Senator Malcolm Roberts on TNT News Radio, and I’m with George Christensen. And I’m going to ask George to continue with this story, but to make time, we’ve only got 12 minutes left George, and we’re covering a lot of good issues, I want you to make time please, in that, to tell us about your latest venture and how people can learn more about you, because that’s really important. You’re one of the most incisive commentators on public affairs in this country.

George Christensen:

Well, I’ll wrap up with this jobs and skills summit by just saying that the way that Macro Business has styled it, it says it’s been turned into one giant immigration scab grab that will see permanent and temporary migration lifted to one unprecedented levels against the direct wishes of the Australian people who have not gotten a say. And we saw that with the lift in nearly 200,000 migrants a year, and that’s going to happen. And there’s a lot of people who, I guess that they were aligned to the union movement or they were sympathetic to the union movement, that were calling out the previous government, the Morrison government, before the Turnbull, and before it the Abbott government, for foreign workers coming into the country. And they’re noticeably silent about this. It’s very, very bizarre. But Labour has long… This is why I fundamentally shook my…

George Christensen:

I shook my head every time Labour got up and started beating its chest on this issue. Because you’d remember Julia Gillard back in the day had a white paper into the Asian Century, and part of that white paper contained a lot of stuff about Labour mobility. And I’ll just read you one thing out of that white paper, then I’ll finish on this topic Malcolm, that this is what they say they want to do about the Australian economy and businesses operating and connecting with growing Asian markets, that they will work to reduce unnecessary impediments in Australia’s domestic regulations to cross border business activity, investment and skilled labour mobility, having regard to the arrangements in place in other countries in the region. So Labour was always about foreign workers coming in and doing jobs here in Australia that otherwise Australians could do, and I think that, that’s the tragedy of this whole thing. We are turning into, as some people suggest, a guest worker society. And I think that’s part of the globalist sort of ideology, the globalist utopia, there’d be no borders, workers could go wherever, do whatever.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah. There’s no doubt about that, because the two fundamental structures for human civilization are the family unit and the nation state, and the globalists have done years now of smashing the family. A good friend of mine, John McCrea, says that he calls the family law system and the family law courts the slaughter house of the nation, and it is destroying family. Because you know far better than I do George, when we destroy families, people turn to government, they’re controlled.

George Christensen:

That’s right. That’s right.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And when you smash national borders and you have the erosion of sovereignty, which is what is happening right now and has been for decades, and under both Liberal and Labour, then you have a central government with central control. Then you have all the benefits to them of labour mobilisation. This has all been orchestrated to smash borders, to move people around, to get control of people and turn us back into a feudal state, but in this case it would be a global feudal state.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I’d love to have you back one day because you are wonderful when it comes to education, families and sovereignty, so let’s get you back one day to talk about that. But I’d like to hear for now about you. What are you doing and how can people learn more about you, and hopefully even use this service. And I say it openly, I’m promoting what you’re doing, because you are incisive and you’re honest and you’re considered, and you’re very, very thoughtful. You know what the hell’s going on.

George Christensen:

Well, when I made the decision to step down as the member for Dawson, I did so still knowing that there was a fair bit of fire in the belly and I didn’t want to leave politics. I was leaving the house of representatives, but not politics. And obviously I worked with One Nation, being a Senate candidate for One Nation, but that didn’t eventuate, although hopefully my role in that helped Senator Hansen who’s another warrior with yourself, Malcolm, in the Senate, helped her get over the line. I’m glad to see that she’s returned to the Parliament. But I decided to deploy my resources, which was in the field of journalism. I mean, I’d had that experience as a journalist and training as a journalist. I’d had over 10 years experience as a politician, so I decided to deploy those two evils for the forces of good.

George Christensen:

And I say that a bit facetiously mate, but what I’m trying to do now is put out… Well, what I am doing is putting out a daily newsletter, or Monday to Friday newsletter, that goes into issues where the mainstream media no doubt fears to tread. And all of next week, I’m talking about just a tiny little topic, the decline of Western civilization, and we’re going to be going through that pretty methodically, looking at democracy, looking at demography, looking at the decline in culture, looking at the decline in economics.

George Christensen:

So this is something I’m going to be focusing on next week. People can sign up for a free trial. They don’t have to pay to start with and they can leave whenever they want if they don’t like it. Nationfirst.substack.com. And so I just encourage people, you want to sign up for a free trial and read these pieces that we’re putting out next week on just the little topic of the fall of the west, please do that. I think that this is a topic that probably-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So what’s that address again? Nationfirst-

George Christensen:

It’s nationfirst.substack.com. Nationfirst.substack-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Substack, S-

George Christensen:

Yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

S-U-B-

George Christensen:

S-U-B-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

S-T-A-C-K.

George Christensen:

That’s it. That’s it.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Okay.

George Christensen:

I’m also working Malcolm, very briefly, on setting up a conservative or pro freedom news aggregator website for Australia. There’s plenty of them over in the US. They’ve got Citizen Free Press, the Liberty Daily, Populous Press, and once upon a time the Drudge Report used to be there, but now it’s gone over to the left. So I’m setting up one of these websites for Australia called Eureka Free Press, where we’re going to be trying to put the best of the best news and opinion that will really mean something and help in the fight that us pro freedom warriors have to engage in every day, because it is an informational war. So this is hoping to be one website that people can log onto daily, they can get everything that they need on there, they don’t have to go trawling the web because we’ve done that job for you.

George Christensen:

And there’ll also be some original news content on there as well, Malcolm, and I’m hoping to grow that, but I’m dipping my toe into this water to see how it goes. It’s cost me a bit already to get all of this set up. People have actually donated some money as well to help this venture get off the ground and I’m greatly appreciative for that. We’ll give it a go for six months and just see whether it’s at least breaking even and if there’s interest from the public, and if there is, then we’ll continue it on.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I’ve heard you’re getting very good interest so far, and very good support.

George Christensen:

Yeah. Look mate, I actually shared a call for donations to lift the amount of original content that we could put on the website, and I got to say, we exceeded what we called for. So there obviously is a fair bit of interest in getting this out there and having original news pieces on there as well as aggregating the best of the best.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Well, I know George, correct me if I’m wrong, let’s have a quick little talk about the media and the different forms of media. We’ve got what I call the mockingbird media, the legacy media, the lying charlatan media, the lamestream media, the what some people call mainstream media.

George Christensen:

Legacy, fake news, yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah, fake news. And they’re owned by the people who are pushing the global agenda, so they suppress any knowledge of it, so that’s one side. We can’t trust them. We know that for a fact, you cannot trust them. Then the next form of media that we have is social media, or as I call it these days, antisocial media, because we know that we have 142,000 followers on my Facebook page as Senator Malcolm Roberts, and sometimes our reach is pathetic because we are throttled back. We know that we’re getting throttled back.

George Christensen:

Yeah.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And it’s quite obvious, and then we have Instagram. But we can’t say things that we believe. We can’t say things that are the truth. We can’t say things that are backed by facts. We can’t say things that might upset the globalist agenda. So the globalists, Bill Gates for example is funding some of these people to suppress news of people like us, whether it be on climate, whether it be on COVID especially, these issues, basic issues of life and death for people, you can’t talk about.

George Christensen:

Yeah, it’s a disgrace.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah. And then the third one is what I call the new, independent, truth seeking, people media, and I would put you in that category. You’re reliant on people directly-

George Christensen:

And I would put TNT in it as well.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I would put TNT. Wherever I go, I publicise tntradio.live. Wonderful service, maybe you’d talk about that in a minute too. But where do you see the media? Have I categorised the three different groups of media? Is there anyone I’ve missed?

George Christensen:

No, I think you’re spot on. We’ve got the legacy media. It’s called legacy because it’s fading, it’s dying. The advent of the internet, obviously I saw a long time ago that this would democratise the media, that if people were unhappy with the fake news that was being shoved down their throat, the bias and all the rest of it, they would vote with their feet. And so less and less people are watching the free to air commercial networks, less and less people are buying newspapers, and more and more people are getting their sources of news online.

George Christensen:

Now, the problem is that the mega corporations, Facebook, Google, and all the rest of it that want to return us into this feudal society, have picked up the ball for the legacy media and are doing their best to corral people into these silos where they’re basically getting the same stuff they got in the old media, but now online. Still, still, there are a bunch of different websites that are out there, and the movement is growing of being truly independent, truly pro freedom, and presenting the real news to the public. And I think that that is only going to grow and people are going to vote with their feet, Malcolm.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

But only… I think what we’ve got to do is vote with our wallets as well, and I’ve cancelled subscription to Sky News because it’s become fake news in the evenings now. It used to be socialist in the mornings and mid afternoons, and free enterprise in the evenings, but even now it’s woke. I look at them basically booting Alan Jones. I look at 2GB booting Jones.

George Christensen:

Yeah, that was terrible.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

I mean, he’s a beacon for truth and freedom, and he takes on the issues, COVID, climate change. He does a really good job on that because he talks the truth. I’d hate to get into an argument with him. He’s so well up… But I’ve cancelled my subscription to Sky-

George Christensen:

Well, he’s a clear example of the new media

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Sorry?

George Christensen:

He’s a clear example of the new media, ADHTV.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

Yeah.

George Christensen:

They’ve got the capacity, and I think they will go big and they will threaten some of these other channels. Because now you can just jump online, you can subscribe to this streaming media channel and you can watch it on your smart device or you can watch it on your smart TV, so that’s a democratisation of the media at play. They want to kick off Alan Jones. Well, people want to watch him, so they can still do it, and they can do it online and they can support a network that’s not engaging in that sort of behaviour.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

So we’ve got about a minute to go, so I just want to mention again, George Christensen, you can get his thoughts directly on nationfirst@substack.com. Correct, George?

George Christensen:

Nationfirst.substack.com, and you’ll get them via email. Not directly, I’m not going into some transhumanist-

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

No, no. I mean, they’re not being filtered by a whole posse of journalists. They’re your thoughts directly, your incisive comments about, and your incisive news.

George Christensen:

Yes, that’s right. Nationfirst.substack.com.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

And perhaps you could come back one day and we’d talk about education, because you’re very strong on that, talk about families and talk about sovereignty. Because they’re the core, they’re the keys stopping us sliding back into global feudalism.

George Christensen:

You’re very right, education being one of the most important because that’s the next generation.

Senator Malcolm Roberts:

George Christensen, thank you so much, and thank you for what you have done and what you are doing for the people of Australia in educating and opening eyes and hearts. Thank you so much.

George Christensen:

Likewise, Senator Malcolm Roberts. Thanks very much.

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