Transgender athletes who went through puberty as a male are now banned from competing in female events. The world swimming governing body FINA made the decision on Sunday in a resounding 71.5% majority.
FINA’s decision that only biological women can compete in women’s swimming events and a proposal to create an open category for athletes who do not fit into traditional gender categories is fair, safe and inclusive.
Everyone has the right to access competitive sport and everyone has the right to safety while competing. FINA’s landmark decision is based on the irrefutable science that once males progress through puberty they are physically stronger than females.
FINA’s courage to make a stand for women’s sport is the new benchmark for the rest of the sporting world to measure up to.
I am writing to you to express my absolute disgust at the way your government and you in particular have failed to manage Covid-19 effectively in Australia.
One Nation is pro-medicine and pro-choice, supporting medicines and procedures that have been fully tested and found to be safe, effective, affordable, and readily available.
Why is it that Australians have been forced to receive injections that were not tested in Australia and never fully tested anywhere and not found to be either safe or effective for everyone.
Taxpayers have born the costs with no choices for those being forced into submission through threats of job loss and worse.
One Nation supports free choice of people to determine what goes into their bodies. This is an issue of bodily autonomy. Consent to such treatment must be freely given and not the result of coercion.
Australians have been denied the free choice to be vaccinated or not. This borders on criminal behaviour.
Government coercion has been a prominent feature of your gross mismanagement and it is disgraceful that a Liberal-Nationals government would be so draconian in its operations.
Voters will not vote for you when they become aware of the lies and misconduct that your actions have spread in the community.
The approval for use of the Covid-19 injections, referred to as vaccines, is still considered provisional in Australia and the injections are in fact still experimental.
You said as much when you told Australians that we are engaged as participants in the world’s largest clinical vaccination trial.
One of the outcomes of your actions has been the destruction of the relationship of trust that used to apply between doctors and their patients.
When a doctor is told by the registration body, Ahpra, that if they speak out against the injections they will risk losing their registration. The insertion of government between the doctor and patient shatters the doctor/patient special relationship.
When a doctor is forbidden to speak freely with her/his patient about the options to be considered before a patient gives consent to treatment, how can that special fiduciary relationship be considered one of trust and good faith if one of the parties is acting through fear for their own livelihood?
Your actions and omissions have destroyed that special relationship.
When reports of adverse reactions to the injections started to emerge, why did you not halt the use of the vaccines until full research was completed to prove or disprove the reports that the injections had the potential to kill or injure recipients?
This would happen routinely for any other drug or procedure, yet this did not occur with the injections. Why were the injections considered a special case?
The injections should be ceased now until the full longitudinal research and testing is completed and done so independent of the manufacturer.
Reports from the manufacturers recognise significant side effects including death from thrombosis and heart anomalies. These are now recognised as foreseeable possible side effects.
Pfizer’s own data acknowledges adverse effects including paralysis and death.
Where is the peer reviewed data from sources independent from the pharmaceutical companies as to the injections’ safety and efficacy?
Where is the evidence showing that injection derived RNA does not integrate into the human genome other than self-serving promises from the pharmaceutical companies?
Are you aware of the current studies that identify non-organic structures within the vaccine components that are of concern to pathologists?
This is dishonest behaviour and I would expect more from you as a Minister.
One Nation has proposed six Covid strategies to rectify your health disaster. Your government’s Chief Medical Officer added a seventh being personal hygiene including hand-washing and confirmed my strategies as complete and appropriate. The strategies are clear and well thought through.
Yet more than two years after the Covid-19 virus’s arrival in our nation your government still has no comprehensive plan for managing the virus. Instead, of managing the virus you have colluded with state Labor and Liberal/Nationals governments to use the virus to control the people, often brutally and inhumanely.
Of first importance now is to hold a Royal Commission into Covid-19 mismanagement. This would examine the roles AHPRA, ATAGI and the TGA have played. It would need to examine the roles and relationships of the federal and state health departments, including the senior bureaucrats and state premiers. The amount of harm these relationships and people caused is staggering in its breadth and severity.
There is an urgent need to rebuild the longstanding doctor/patient relationship that Ahpra’s immoral overreaching actions have destroyed. Whatever happened to doctor/patient confidentiality and privacy and the concept that firstly doctors should do no harm?
Even the commonwealth’s own immunisation handbook states that consent to immunisation must be given freely and voluntarily. Why was this blatantly and calculatedly ignored and violated?
The basic law that applies to consent says that for consent to be valid it must be given voluntarily and must be provided with sufficient information for the patient to decide freely for themselves in the absence of coercion. In terms of negligence, this means the patient must be provided with all material facts in order to provide an informed consent.
This includes all facts about possible side effects, the nature of the injections’ contents, details about alternatives and a full risk profile to enable the patient to decide whether to consent to having the vaccine or not.
Where a possible side effect is death or serious bodily harm, failure to advise a patient of these risks would be grounds for legal action in negligence or if death were to occur, criminal negligence.
Given the complexity of these decisions, it is totally unrealistic to consider that a child or infant could consent to this injection being delivered.
The immoral and inhuman mandates for injecting Covid injections must end now. Your health department and the government in which you are a senior minister have enabled these mandates’ implementation and enforcement.
Agencies and departments under your responsibility and in contradiction of extensive, thorough and widespread medical and scientific evidence, have failed to proactively seek proven safe, effective, affordable and readily accessible treatments and prophylactics. The use of Ivermectin and other medicines and natural treatments have been denied, removed and suppressed while being hailed as rapid cures and effective prophylactics overseas.
As a result of inhumanely suppressing the use of Ivermectin for instance as one example, your government is responsible for otherwise avoidable deaths and for prolonging the impacts of avoidable restrictions that state and federal government implemented in what was wrongly claimed to be due to the virus. Those deaths, the widespread and irresponsible capricious destruction of livelihoods and lives and the crippling costs to families and our nation now burdened with needless debt are due to your actions and omissions.
A comprehensive plan for managing the virus and its variants must now be developed and published as soon as possible as there is not one in existence now.
Australia needs to develop its own plan for Australians and not merely replicate what the United Nations and your former employer the World Economic Forum dictate or call for. This is not a time when one size fits all.
As the past Director of Strategy for the World Economic Forum 2000-01, surely you would see the conflict of interest that you have faced in your current position as Health Minister?
What is your understanding of the World Health Organisation Pandemic Treaty and its contents? What is the level of commitment of your government to signing this Treaty and what are your expectations in relation to Australia’s sovereignty in the future by potentially giving away responsibility to the WHO for the management of a pandemic within Australia?
It is clear that the Therapeutic Goods Administration has failed in its obligations under s. 22D(2) of the Therapeutic Goods Act (1989) that requires the Secretary of the Department of Health to ensure the quality, safety and efficacy of the Covid injections are satisfactorily established for each cohort for which the injections were granted provisional approval.
There needs to be a full independent review of the activities of the TGA with a particular assessment of the TGA approval process related to provisional approvals granted to the pharmaceutical manufacturers of the Covid injections.
The government relationship with Ahpra, a non -government body that wields too much power over the health and allied health sector must be pruned back and the relationship reviewed considering the coercion and the extortion-like behaviour that enabled the mandated injection rollout.
What was the reason for removing Ahpra from the government sphere and converting it to private enterprise beyond the scope of Estimates overview?
Ahpra or its future equivalent needs to be brought under parliamentary scrutiny to ensure accountability. Despite having enormous power over doctors, nurses and health services AHPRA currently is not accountable to the senate estimates process.
Vital data that has been missing from public view must be made available in reasonable time. This includes Covid injection related deaths, adverse incidents, and recent negative research reports. This is instead of the current practice of burying or denying recent findings that contradict the government’s initial or previous position.
Why have the contracts entered into by the government with the pharmaceutical manufacturers been less than transparent? We still have not been told what the contents of the vaccines are or their manufacturing costs. Commercial in confidence responses do not cut it.
The injections have a serious negative profile that you have clearly tried to suppress, even in the face of growing substantial scientific data to the contrary.
The damage to the Australian economy from the mandates and the unnecessary closures of businesses is unacceptably and inhumanely high. Many small businesses were forced to shut down with many never to recover. The financial stress and loss of jobs that the shutdowns capriciously and negligently imposed has been a factor in the rise in suicides, bankruptcies and mental illness within our community.
You clearly have a large share of the responsibility for these atrocious actions.
You have been responsible for a fraud on the Australian population and worse, trying to impose unproven injections on our next generation. There is no doubt that in time your culpability will become clearer.
Minister, based on your failures to protect the health of Australians and your destruction of much of the Australian economy, no thinking employer should seriously consider that your track record warrants further involvement in strategic decision making.
Should this government win another term at the coming election I am pleased to hear that you will no longer be responsible for the health portfolio.
Your shame alone should have had you stepping down if not being moved aside or removed.
Australian voters will have their say soon enough.
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In this episode, we welcome Senator Malcolm Roberts to AMPS Discussions from the Frontline.
Kara and Senator Roberts discuss the impact of the mandates and the importance of transparency and accountability in Government, all politicians are supposed to serve and listen to the people.
In this video series, “Discussions from the Frontline”, we are discussing AHPRA overreach and the consequent impacts on Health Professionals, the search for evidence-based best practices and overall public health outcomes.
AMPS and NPAA members have repeatedly raised concerns about government overreach and the negative consequences this is having on healthcare, our professions and the public.
AMPS understands the cost of questioning government policy and politically correct orthodoxy. Questioning “the science” is tragically now often a career-ending decision, a silencing tactic that works by threatening your livelihood and ability to provide for your family.
We believe highly educated health professionals should be allowed to participate in debates on scientific evidence, treatment protocols and in the public square of ideas without government threats of disciplinary action.
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https://i0.wp.com/www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Capture.png?fit=892%2C473&ssl=1473892Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2022-05-13 09:34:442022-05-13 09:34:49The data is mind blowing – The AJ Roberts Show
Deaths in January were a shocking 2,965 (22%) above the baseline for Australia. This increase coincided with a large increase in COVID-19 infections which is being blamed as the cause. However, if we dig down a bit on that claim it does not stack up.
ABS figures show that only 442 COVID deaths were recorded in January. What is the explanation for the remaining 2,443 deaths above baseline?
Fifteen months ago I asked the Australian Electoral Commission questions around election integrity. I was expecting to have my questions answered and to be reassured our elections were safe. Instead I had bland assurances everything was safe and elections were audited. Proof of those audits was never provided.
After spending all of 2021 pursuing the AEC, One Nation presented our Electoral Legislation Amendment (Voter Integrity) Bill 2021 to the Senate. Special Minister of State Morton finally realised we did have a problem and the government passed a suite of bills to address our concerns. My questions on Tuesday to the Australian Electoral Commission covered the only area the Government was not able to fix because of opposition from the ALP and the Greens – voter ID. The need for voter ID dates from 1995 when the AEC stopped residency checks, which is a way of auditing the voter rolls.
Out of date voter rolls allow dishonest players to vote multiple times, at multiple booths using a different name from the voter roll each time. These are the names of voters who have left the country, passed away, moved away and so on, plus human and data-matching errors at the AEC The only way to ensure every vote comes from a properly registered voter, voting once under their own name is to ask for voter ID.
The answers to my questions to Tom Rogers, the Electoral Commissioner were far from forthright. I will be resuming this matter in the new Parliament. I urge all Australians to enrol to vote, and to exercise your right to vote in the next election.
Transcript
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you for attending again today. Can I start with a compliment to your social media team? It has a nice balance of humour and information in what is sometimes a very hostile environment. That’s reassuring and pleasing.
I’d also like to compliment Minister Morton for his voting integrity bills and for acknowledging the work that I did informing those initiatives with my integrity of elections bill, which preceded them. It’s very important for people to understand, and for voters right around the country to be assured, that their vote will not be wasted and that there is no reason to not vote. There is every reason to turn up now, because we’ll be having audits of the election processes.
My first question today is as a result of multiple reports from constituents who went into a booth in previous elections and were told they had already voted. This may have been human error by the poll worker, yet I think it’s the only issue that Minister Morton’s electoral integrity package failed to address that my bill did.
For clarity, there are two types of multiple voting: one where a person votes multiple times under their own name, and another where a person votes multiple times under different names. The first one, multiple voting under one’s own name, has been well examined, and the conclusion seems to be that it does not make a tangible difference, because we’ve now got electronic rolls in most booths—not all, but most. So let’s turn to the second one, people voting multiple times under different names. Has the AEC done any work on this issue?
Mr Rogers : We look at the entire voting process at the end of every election. We put, as you know, a submission in to the Joint Standing Committee on Electoral Matters, where we raise issues that we think have been flagged during the conduct of the previous election. Many of those observations are our observations, and many of them have also been passed to us by others. The issue of multiple voting was dealt with in those submissions previously and in supplementary submissions. What you’re referring to there is impersonation, and that’s not something that we’ve had any evidence has had any sort of impact on the election at all. It’s not something that was raised with us in any formal way previously. It’s not something that has been put into a submission to the joint standing committee at all, to the best of my memory. So that’s not something we’re looking at, at all.
The other thing with impersonation is that those sorts of things do become known, because, if someone was doing impersonation on a large scale, we would get feedback from a range of different sources that that would be the case. Don’t forget that many of these polling booths are actually community polling booths, where people know other people in the community as well. It’s not something that’s been personally raised with me. I’m not sure, Deputy Commissioner, if it’s been raised with you.
Mr Pope : No, that’s correct. I would add that there’s another category that is what we call ‘apparent multivoting’, which is actually an administrative error where someone has been marked as having voted, on a paper certified list, and they have put a wrong mark against a person’s name. Sometimes it can be seen as being something else, but it is simply an administrative error.
Senator ROBERTS: Is there a phone number or a way of reporting occurrences in order to further investigate the problem, if there is a problem?
Mr Rogers : On our website, there is a—
Mr Pope : fraud email reporting process—
Mr Rogers : and people are welcome to use that.
Senator ROBERTS: The AEC stopped residency checks last century, in 1995. When was the last time the AEC audited a sample of the electoral roll to get an idea of accuracy?
Mr Rogers : We use a whole range of tools to check the accuracy of the electoral role, and we conduct internal audits on that. I think the ANAO also conducted an audit of the electoral roll. I’m not sure if anyone remembers when that might have been—there are a lot of shaking heads—but we could find that out for you fairly easily. So it’s been audited even by the ANAO. In fact, now that I’m warming to my theme, I think it may have been audited twice. I’d have to check that for you. If I’m wrong, I apologise to the ANAO, but I think they came back to check the results of the initial audit. I’m happy to come back to you on that.
Mr Rogers : So there’s more than one way of auditing the accuracy of the roll. The second thing is when we get data on someone’s residence from more than one data source, which is what we do—we effectively triangulate that data to make sure that it’s accurate—we also do, as I mentioned before, our own internal checks of the accuracy of our data entry to make sure that that is an accurate process.
Mr Pope : We do. And we match our data with a range of other data sources, and we also do an annual quality assurance process.
Senator ROBERTS: So, although you say that you haven’t had any evidence or you don’t see much possibility of it, this is surely a case where voter ID would stop someone from voting multiple times under different names or from voting under the names of people who are no longer voting themselves. I know what you’re saying about the community, but sometimes people rock up to a booth that’s not in their community.
Mr Rogers : I might perhaps repeat what we said at the last estimates. I’m loath to get involved in the issue of the voter ID process. I think that’s a highly political issue. It is a matter for parliament. I’m genuinely trying to be right down the centre here. I understand the arguments on both sides of this, but it has become a very polarising debate in places where this has been implemented. So that’s a matter for parliament. What we’re reflecting on here is the processes that we put in place to assure the vote within the legislation that’s currently valid. That bit about voter ID is something that I think I said a little flippantly last time, ‘We have a definite policy not to have a policy on,’ because we’re going to get dragged into that process.
Senator ROBERTS: I can see that. I accept it. It is ironic, Minister, that we need an ID to get into a pub but that we don’t need an ID to get in to vote. That’s just a comment.
Senator Birmingham: Your comment’s noted, Senator Roberts. The government would wish that there had been, or were, broader support for some of the ID measures that, as you acknowledge, Minister Morton had brought forward.
The Therapeutic Goods Administration (“TGA“) and their buddies, the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (“ATAGI“) and the unaccountable Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (“AHPRA“), have enabled the distortion of science in Australia that has seen COVID vaccines mandated, the minimising of vaccine reactions, banning of alternative treatments and general COVID mismanagement.
In this final Senate Estimates session before the election is inevitably called I tried to desperately get straight answers out of Australia’s Chief Health bureaucrats about how they could do so much of this without evidence.
Part 1
This session goes to the over 801 deaths reported around COVID-19 vaccines and the Health Department’s incompetence or negligence in failing to answer over 47% of my formal questions on notice in 6 months when the deadline was 6 weeks.
Transcript (click here to read)
I’d like to table just a portion of the transcript from the previous session in February, 16th of February. There are 15 copies here. Thank you. The latest available TGA DAEN report from your website dated 24th of March, 2022, says there are 801 deaths, 11 of which are attributed to COVID-19 vaccines. So there are 801 deaths reported by doctors. So according to the TGA 801 deaths that doctors have reported as being due to COVID-19 vaccination, doctors reported them. The TGA then steps in and reviews these doctor certified reports and says that there are only 11 deaths attributable to the COVID-19 vaccines. How many of these 790 cases have been reviewed and closed? And how many are still under review?
Senator firstly, your assertion is not factually correct. Doctors have not said those deaths, 800 and something deaths are due to COVID vaccination.
They’ve reported that.
There have been reports as we have said before and misplace, doctors will often provide a report and then they say in the report, we don’t believe it’s due to a vaccination in a majority of jurisdictions, a majority of states and territories, there is a requirement for the state and territory health systems and their doctors working between to report deaths that are temporarily associated. In other words injection one day someone has a heart attack a week later. But in many of those cases the doctors indicate that they don’t believe there’s a link. So I think it’s highly misleading to say the doctors say these deaths are due to a COVID vaccine. Having said that, we do as we’ve indicated before we review all deaths in these reports and we follow up for further information including with coroners where coroners reports are done in postmortems, with the state and territory systems. These deaths are generally in health facilities. So there have been post-mortems and there is a thorough medical history on them. And as I’ve indicated before if there is something unusual and there is a possibility that it could be associated with a vaccine, we convene an independent, by independent not departmental staff. We convene an independent expert group of relevant doctors to evaluate whether there is likely causality. And we use World Health Organisation protocols and these approaches are used by regulators globally.
[Malcolm] Thank you. So how many of the 790 cases have been reviewed and closed and how many are still under review?
Senator I would have give, take that on notice
That’s fine. at the current time but the overwhelming majority has been it’s just that obviously it’s a figure that changes by the hour.
Okay. That’s fine. I’d happy to take that on notice, for you to take it on notice. Of any outstanding reported deaths, some could be death related to COVID-19 vaccination. Do you have a timeframe for when the TGA adjudication will be completed?
Our part is relatively fast once we have all required information, but if, let’s use a hypothetical of someone who has a vaccination on Tuesday and has a heart attack on Friday, they’re in a hospital in Perth, the WA health system reports to us. This is a hypothetical. We obviously require the information from a postmortem that may have been done, had that person say, had AstraZeneca and was it a major thrombosis with thrombocytopenia in their brain? So it also requires postmortems to be done. It may even require a coroner’s report to be done. So the timing at which we can close a case and then if we need to refer it to his expert committee senator does depend on when we get the information from the hospital system, the postmortem and all that. Because otherwise you are working in the dark. And so it’s really important to have that objective information by the professional people who carry out postmortems and if need be, if it has been referred to the coroner, the advice from a coroner, because again that’s their professional role to determine cause of death.
So it’s variable. How long do the TGA reviews take per death?
[Skerritt] Sorry.
How long does the TGA reviews take per death?
So once we receive the, it’s an iterative thing. So if we have a death report, we’ll come back and we say, “Look, it says headache in the report. Can we get information on whether they had a bleed in the brain?” Now the hospital may respond within hours or they may say, “Look, we’ve got the brain.” And again, this is a bit gory. “We’ve got the brain in the freezer. We will have to conduct some morbid anatomy on that…” Sorry, we’ll have to look at the brain in a postmortem sense. So sometimes it actually can take weeks if they then have to do those laboratory and other forensic tests. Once we get the information we move as quickly as possible. And we also move as quickly as possible to report any reports of death. So for example, the very first report of death which was in April last year, I think we reported it within 24 to 48 hours of the group concluding that it was associated and we do so in our weekly updates. Now, fortunately there have been no confirmed deaths due to vaccination this year. And there’s also been no confirmed cases due to thrombosis with thrombocytopenia this year.
Okay, thank you, Australians, our constituents want to know who is accountable for this process? Who decides whether the death was a COVID-19 vaccine death and who certifies if this is the case.
So if it’s due to vaccination it’s the role of the Therapeutic Goods as a safety regulator. But acting on, as I said on the advice of this external panel and with the commitment and responsibility of publishing weekly safety updates on which report this information.
So you are the head of the TGA so it’s your responsibility.
Yes.
So you’re accountable.
Yes.
Okay. Thank you. Who’s on the expert committee?
There is no fixed expert committee. It’s really important to emphasise that if say a death was due to some neurological condition, we have a large number of neurologists. There are some, it’s not a standing committee. And so there is no fixed membership Senator. If it’s a cardiac thing, we’ll have cardiologists and we’ll have cardiac pathologists. And there’s so many subspecialties in medicine these days. And so the composition of each panel is different depending, because we want the best scientific and clinical expertise.
[Malcolm] Okay. So I’ve asked you Dr. Skerritt or Professor Skerritt sorry, about the questions raised at previous Senate estimates rounds. And if you refer to the transcript of the February 16th Senate estimates. If you go down the bottom there, you’ll see that you’ve twice failed to deliver what you have promised. We asked first in October and we had a six-week deadline for that
Sorry Senator, you asked for what in October?
The process, by which deaths reported by doctors are reviewed by the TGA.
We’ve provided every-
[Man] They haven’t.
Every response to every… We’ve provided them through to the government. Every response to every question on notice .
Well, then ministers, who in the government is responsible because Professor Skerritt, you said, I asked you again in February 16th, after the, four months after the first request in October. And I said, “Could we have that process in writing?” And you said, “I believe it has been provided but we can provide it again.” And I said, “We haven’t received it.” And you said, “We can provide it to you.” They’re categorical.
[Skerritt] Senator-
So now it seems to me minister that the head of the Therapeutic Goods Administration is saying he’s provided to the government but the government hasn’t provided it to us. What’s going on?
I can’t comment on the process following that. What I can say is if you wish to write to me please write to me and I can provide in .
Professor Skerritt, we’ve asked you twice and twice… And once we were put on notice and last February, just two months ago, you told us personally you would get it to us. This is the first I’ve heard about having to write to you about it.
Well, I don’t deliver responses to you directly, Senator.
[Woman] So then I asked the government what’s interceded because we have not got the material from the TGA.
[Skerritt] .
[Woman] Do we have a question on notice number that we’re talking about?
Yes, we do.
[Woman] That would be very handy to have so that we can ask somebody to check that.
Question number 14, details of how a decision of death due to COVID vaccination is made?
So what was the question on notice number? Do we know?
So that was back in October. I don’t know that one
Senator we’ll take what you’ve just requested on notice and and get you an answer. Because it seems to me that there there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here.
[Malcolm] Twice.
I think adjunct professor Skerritt has indicated he would provide what you’ve requested. So we will endeavour during a break to be able to get to the bottom of that and respond to you today.
Quite sure somebody is listening to us at the moment that we’ll be able to follow that up for us.
Minister, can you follow up my questions from October as well too, please? ‘Cause I’ve got like lots of questions outstanding.
I will certainly have a look at that, but-
Yeah, we have a huge number outstanding something like generally there are 61 of a 136 questions on notice outstanding from the last Senate estimates. That’s around 45% of the questions we’ve asked. We’ve asked a lot of questions, but that’s our right because we do it not only for ourselves but on behalf of our constituents. 45% of the questions have not been answered. So if-
[Woman] If you could leave that with me Senator-
Sure.
And I’ll respond to the committee as soon as I’m able to get an answer.
[Malcolm] If that’s the last question chair on this round and then we’ll come back later. If vaccine injured people are from identifiable subgroups say due to specific health conditions, why did you not proactively allow medical exemptions from these groups, for these groups? For example, those with comorbidities?
The Therapeutic Goods Administration’s not involved in provision of vaccine exemptions.
Well, who the hell is because we’ve had so many doctors tell us personally and nurses that it’s almost impossible to get an exemption. And I know of someone who got his first shot and then had a severe reaction to it and was required by his employer to have a second shot. We’ve heard this so many times.
[Man] Senator-
Senator innit?
The chair of ATAGI will be here at 10 o’clock and ATAGI is responsible for determining the conditions under which people would, vaccines contraindicated a very small list of conditions, that the chair ATAGI would be happy to answer that I think when he comes.
[Malcolm] Thank you.
[Woman] Okay. Thank you.
Part 2
Doctors and other health professionals feel great pressure to not report adverse events or sentiment which could undermine the vaccine rollout. Health Bureaucrats continue to deny such pressure exists despite official guidelines saying that Doctors could be de-registered for opposing supposed public health measures from the government. AHPRA threatens to deregister Doctors but is a private corporation with no accountability to the Senate or the Australia Public.
Transcript (click here to read)
Chair, Can I just ask something that I forgot to ask before I noted rather than interrupt Professor Skerritt? You mentioned that of the reports that you received from doctors about deaths, some explicitly say, it’s not due to the vaccine. Are you aware and what are you doing about the fact that have been told by a number of doctors that they are afraid to report vaccine deaths? Are you aware of that and what are you doing about that?
I’m not aware of that and any doctor or individual, or even you on behalf of a constituent with the relevant information can report a vaccine adverse event, doesn’t have to be a death, it can be a sore arm. Any individual can report directly to us, so–
Do you do any auditing to make sure that process is being followed or that you’re getting reasonably accurate numbers?
So as I’ve indicated, the reporting is two things. Firstly, it’s mandatory within a majority of states, but not all states. Although quite interestingly, the state that is the most active in reporting adverse events for their health system is Victoria and it’s not one where in law is written down it’s just seen as part of their medical practise. There is no force of law that says if Dr X out in the suburbs sees an adverse event that they must report. Reporting of adverse events is not mandatory in Australia. It would require this place to change a therapeutic goods act.
Senator, can I just point out, I feel I need to say something here. There there’s been over 11 billion doses of vaccine given around the world, 11 billion doses. The risk benefit profile of all of the vaccines that are in common use and the ones certainly that the TGA has regulated here in Australia is overwhelmingly in favour of benefit. There is no conspiracy here.
[Senator Roberts] Do we have the numbers on that list?
11 billion doses have been used? We would’ve seen problems in 11 billion episodes of doses if they were there.
Why did you use the word conspiracy because in my experience, most of these kinds of derailments are due to incompetence or gutlessness in terms of not looking at the figures. I’m not accusing you of either of those, I’m just saying that’s my experience but you raised the word conspiracy. Now,
I do realise the word conspiracy–
Are you aware that some doctors here and overseas have done the research and they say that as few as 1% of adverse events are being reported. Some are saying as few as 10%. So you multiply the deaths due to the vaccine. You multiply the adverse events due to the vaccines by in one estimate by a hundred or by other estimates by 10.
Senator, we don’t believe that that’s a relevant comparison.
You don’t believe it, but that’s what doctors are telling me.
Senator Robert please let witnesses respond.
So I’ll pass it to John in a moment. But I think, just to be clear I’m not accusing anyone of conspiracy here but that there are conspiracy theories around. I think we have all heard them and they have affected, particularly in some of our more vulnerable parts of our population and I’m referring here to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. In a way that has caused harm and I feel it’s my role as the chief medical officer to look at that from the Australian perspective. I’ll let John answer about the issue, Professor Skerritt about the the issues you’ve raised in terms of reporting. We do know there is under reporting of a range of matters in many countries, but one of the main reasons that the statistics you and Senator Rennick, have both mentioned about the number of reports that the TGA has looked at extraordinary number, but the vast majority, almost all of those have been shown to have another explanation. And that is not hiding things, that is a totally transparent the TGA reports on every week, regularly. So that’s why I mentioned that word, but please to be clear–
I’m gonna go clear Senator Grogan–
But just to… Sorry, Paul, just to explain. I do agree that for some other medicines you might only have 10 or 5% of adverse events reported but for the COVID vaccines to use that cliched word there’s been an unprecedented communication approach to doctors, hospitals, health systems and the public about coming forward with adverse events. We want people to report adverse events. So firstly, there’s been a lot of awareness. So for example, among the doctor networks we have a video conference, it was every two weeks and there’s other video conferences that are held even more frequently. It’s now every four weeks. In fact, there’s another one tomorrow. And that has the heads of the IMA the heads of the College of General Practitioners, many leading doctor and communication groups. And again, one of the consistent messages is report adverse events even if you don’t think that there’s a likelihood of them being associated. So I would say for the COVID vaccines there’s greater awareness than there ever has been for any other medical product. The states and territories, as I’ve said, either have mandatory adverse event reporting for vaccines or they have pretty well old systems such as in Victoria. And thirdly, there’s been a tremendous investment in what we call stimulated and active reporting. So through AusVaxSafety a proportion of people who get vaccinated get SMSs at regular times and are contacted. So you’re not requiring men to say, “I don’t feel well,” it’s an adverse event they’re asked and followed up. Do you have any ill feeling, any adverse events how you going? Taken together, I think we have probably the most comprehensive picture of safety of these products and we have had for any medical product ever on the market in Australia
Professor Skerritt, I’d urge you to have a look at the systems for reporting because I’ve had a number of reputable credible doctors tell me that they are aware of adverse events not reported because the AHPRA is intimidating doctors. Professor Kelly, if I could just mention that the word conspiracy used to be used quite a bit in the past for exactly that. Vague claims. But the word conspiracy now is used as a defence to ridicule someone who’s raising a genuine issue. So that is quite often when I see the word conspiracy. It’s used to deflect so that’s why I brought up–
Senator I think that… Frankly, AHPRA wouldn’t know if a doctor reported an adverse event to us for name of a reporting doctor is anonymous and confidential, they cannot take action. So how on earth could AHPRA sanction a doctor who reported an adverse event to the TGA? They wouldn’t know.
Well, how can we get AHPRA here and ask them directly? Because they’re away from our scope they’ve been taken away from our scope by understanding 2017. They’re giving headaches to doctors in this country and doctors are looking me in the face in massive groups, groups of 40 or more, in suburbs in Brisbane, telling me, that they’ve lost the doctor-patient relationship. They have to abide by health directives and AHPRA is doing that.
Senator, I simply do not believe that AHPRA has told doctors not to report adverse events. I think that I’d believe a flat earth policy before that.
We’re gonna go–
How do we get AHPRA here?
Senator Roberts has jumped in after I was about to hand to Senator Grogan–
Chair, how do we get AHPRA here? Because they’re not accountable to the–
We have tried that before, and that’s a separate issue. We’re not gonna discuss that right now. We’ve taken that to the government before.
Part 3
The TGA has been morally deficient in their blind acceptance of overseas data provided by the pharmaceutical companies to approve COVID vaccines. Despite this, they bat away any criticism or safety concerns as simply a conspiracy theory. As I said, conspiracy theory is “used as a term to ridicule the person asking the question” and what did one of our Chief Health Officers respond to that? “It is and I’ll be using it that way”. The contempt these bureaucrats have for openness and transparency is palpable.
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Your office obtained de-identified clinical data, patient data from the COVID-19 vaccine trials. And did that data form your decision on the vaccine, or did you just accept what the manufacturer said?
So Senator, of a long established process is that we receive an aggregate submission looking at the analysis of a patient data. And then during the review both our clinicians who review that data carefully and also our advisory committee for medicines which is composed of eminent clinicians across various disciplines, we do go back and ask a series of questions to the company, but of the global regulators only the US Food and Drug Administration, obtains individual patient data as a course of practise, so-
[Malcolm] So the answer is no?
So we do not obtain individual patient regulator. We’re simply not resolved to do so.
[Malcolm] Okay, that’s fine, I just needed the answer. So the TGA with all of it’s resources didn’t take the opportunity to review you the approximately 44,000 records on the vaccine testing. Yet you improved it to inject into millions of Australians?
I don’t agree, but we didn’t take the opportunity to review the results for trials. We spent many person months. In fact, probably several person years, you aggregate the size of a team of clinicians and others looking at that data. We looked at that data on 44,000 people and the trials was very carefully.
What clinical testing was done in Australia on the COVID-19 vaccines.
So for there were some vaccines that have had early stage trials done in Australia but it is not a requirement, but medicine or vaccines are clinically trialled in Australia, if it were a requirement we’d have far fewer medicines and vaccines on the market. We look for trials done in comparable populations. So we assume a trial done on an American is gonna be transferable to the Australian population. However, if there are trial groups missing such as we have a lot of Australians of Asian descent we’ll look at that in a trial data too.
So you also assume then that a trial by an American pharmaceutical company done on Americans is just acceptable?
We Don assume it’s just acceptable. We look at, as I’ve mentioned, the total amount of data for Pfizer is over 220,000 pages. And so that would fill many pallets of paper if it were deposited in the middle of this room. So we scrutinise, we review that data at extreme length. We spend thousands of of man and woman hours reviewing that data.
But no testing here.
We test the vaccine here in a laboratories. As I mentioned earlier, we have about 105 laboratory staff.
So are those tests to make sure that the control batches comply with the current batches in this country, or are they actually testing the vaccine for its efficacy, for its safety?
The tests are looking, well they relate to safety because they check the vaccines composition. They check that there’s no contaminants in it. And they check that it aligns with the requirements of-
So you’re not testing the vaccines efficacy or safety or risk?
We are looking at safety in a post market sense. The data from FDA and Safety comes from clinical trials that are being conducted globally. And I would add the same approach is accepted by all world’s major regulators, including Europe. So the European Medicines Agency, which regulates for European Union does not require trials to be done within Europe.
Are you aware there are major concerns about the FDA processes in America and many of the health agencies in America being completely tainted by pharmaceutical companies, all fix for interest.
TGA makes independent sovereign evaluations of vaccines, the government expressly rejected, this government expressly rejected a possibility of TGA automatically accepting US FDA decisions. So government position, and it was the accepted in this place when a bill went through the house was for TGA to continue to make its own sovereign decisions. And we don’t always make the same decisions as FDA around medicines and drugs.
And you rely upon various committees-
Yes, we do.
For approval of different types of drugs, including vaccines.
We rely on them from advice. So we have an active advisory committee for vaccines and an advisory committee for medicines, for example, that will go to treatments.
Have you assessed that committee’s composition for conflicts of interest?
Oh, very much so Senator and, first of all-
[Malcolm] Can we get a copy of that?
Senator, there would be individual personal information we could provide, I don’t think it’s appropriate to say, well, doctor so is X, but we could explain both the process and we could explain those candidates who were not considered-
[Malcolm] Yes, please.
So within those constraints, of course we would very welcome to-
[Malcolm] We’ll take from there.
It is absolutely important that the people on the committees do not have a conflict of interest.
I agree.
It would up the process.
Last question on this topic before I move on to a second one. Were the COVID-19 vaccines ever tested upon zero to four, four year olds? And could you please provide a copy of the data to prove that the vaccine is safe for young children and babies?
The vaccines are not approved for zero to four year olds. So they have not been approved in this country or in any major global regulator areas, there is an approval in China for a Chinese made vaccine, I think down to age three. But when I look at the US, when I look at Canada, Australia, Japan, Europe they are not approved in that age group.
When will they be approved?
It depends on the date of it’s submitted to us and whether it’s accessible.
Are you expecting at any time in the next three months before the new parliament comes in?
I can’t predict that we may receive an application midyear but it is really dependent on the completion of trials, and on the quality of the data.
Thank you, let’s move on then to the next topic. Can a COVID-19 vaccine enter and affect human DNA? Now a Swedish study and I’m gonna table this. A Swedish study has demonstrated that it could and while the paper, which is being distributed, at section four states, and I’ll quote, “At this stage we do not know if DNA reverse transcribe from BNT162b2 is integrated into the cell genome.” So they’re acknowledging that, “the fact is that the Australian government may have not independently confirmed whether it does or not.” So the question is, have you done so, have you kept us safe?
So we are familiar with this paper. It is actually quite widely discredited in the medical community for a number of reasons. Firstly, reverse transcriptase of the type required are not commonly found within cells, are not commonly found within the nucleus. And if this were plausible, you’d argue as I mentioned earlier, probably all of us sitting here have 20,000 genes and 20,000 mRNAs that are making various proteins on time. You’d have all those proteins clogging up the nucleus. The second issue is that the amount of messenger RNA used in this study was not the physiological levels. It was a very high level of messenger RNA. So this paper was published in a second or third tier journal and it’s been fairly widely discredited. And again, I’m happy to provide a bit more information on what experts in the field have said about this particular study.
Yeah, I’d welcome that. But my question was not whether the paper was good or not. The question is, has the Australian government independently confirmed whether the material does transcribe or not? So my question was, have you done that? And have you kept us safe from the possibility of that?
We do not believe it can plausibly-
[Malcolm] So that’s a belief?
For scientific evidence does not show-
[Malcolm] Can we see that scientific evidence, please?
[Malcolm] Okay, thank you.
[Malcolm And John] If could take that on notice.
Yes.
Thank you. Secondly, did the TGA issue authorization solely based upon the basis of the manufacturer’s data?
To which for vaccine, are you talking about?
[Malcolm] Pfizer?
So every medical product is submitted on the basis of, sorry is reviewed on the basis of a submission that a company or other sponsor makes. In every case, there are questions sometimes in the case of one of the COVID vaccines but I think questions numbered in the hundreds. There are many questions where we go back and request further data. We also look at data from studies if that vaccine is for example, already on the market as professor Murphy mentioned for AstraZeneca and Pfizer, where there was already use overseas, we look at that data, but the process is that the data does come from the organisation that submits it, but we don’t take it at face value. We drive pharmaceutical companies crazy by asking them dozens and quite often hundreds of questions and ask for more things.
Why did the TGA just refer to the manufacturer that and take their word for it? I know you just said-
Well, as I said, we don’t take their word for it. Otherwise we’d just be a rubber stamp. You might as well bother having a-
[Malcolm] That’s my concern.
We are not a rubber stamp. What do those people do all day? And I think it’s fair to say. When you’ve had, at the time we were reviewing the vaccines we had teams of people working seven days a week. So they were extremely busy reviewing hundreds of thousands of pages of data-
[Malcolm] My concern-
And these are very highly qualified people Senator.
My concern professor Skerrit is that there have been so many contradictions so many reversals of data, so many denials, so many orders, so many instructions, so many absurdities throughout this whole COVID and I call it a mismanagement.
[John] That’s your assertion?
That is my assertion. And there have been so many absurdities so many contradictions we’ve got one state predicting another state. We’ve got one state contradicting itself within over a period of weeks. We’ve got so many of these that people are rightly very very suspicious and concerned.
Well, I would also add the fact that Australia of course has a very high vaccination rate. And while there are some individuals who are suspicious or concerned about the data, a massive majority of Australians have chosen to become vaccinated. I’d also add that there is one national medicines regulator who has a role of looking at the safety, efficacy and quality of vaccines.
Okay, my next question goes to, is from constituents, many constituents. And I’d like to tell over these, please. I’m not tabling the questions. I’m tabling handout, listing reports and scientific publications on the toxicity of graphene oxides to living organisms.
[John] Oh, yes, it’s toxic.
My constituents have asked me to ask you about a recent UK study, which has formed the basis of criminal charges in that country. “Due to the presence of compounds including, graphene oxide in COVID-19 vaccines.” Graphene oxide is not on the ingredients list. Have you tested specifically for graphene oxide, or other unlisted chemicals in the COVID-19 vaccines?
We have and other regulators have assessed the vaccines. There is no graphene oxide in any of the vaccines.
Have you tested?
I would have to take that on notice but we have no evidence, we do-
You have no evidence, but have you tested for that?
I said, I’d have to take that on notice but I am absolutely confident. There is no graphene oxide vaccines, why on earth would you put it in there?
That’s what people want to know?
Yeah, why on earth would you do that?
[Malcolm] But we talk about that-
That probably sounds like some conspiracy theory again, Senator.
That’s usually used as a term to ridicule the person asking the question.
[John] It is and I’ll be using it that way.
Okay.
But to think that someone, and it’s not directed at you Senator, but to think that someone would put graphene oxide into a vaccine would amount to a conspiracy theory.
We may have some interesting material for your next sentiments.
[John] Thank you Senator.
Yes, you’ve already explained that graphene oxide is toxic to humans.
[John] Oh, yeah.
Professor Kelly, your response to Senator Rennick’s questions about the denial of people wanting to go overseas, from going overseas because of their global commitments. I’ve heard that so many times, minister whether it be from the leader in the senate, previous it was on the senate, Senator Corman, in answer to my request for data as to why we’re complying with UN requirements and UN policies, I get told because we have to comply with our global commitments. I understand that the Omicron variant entered Australia at a time when only vaccinated people were allowed into the country?
That’s correct, Senator.
Thank you, that’s all for me right now. And I’ll come back with the target.
Part 4
AHPRA is an unaccountable private organisation that holds the threat of de-registration over the head of any Doctor who dares give advice against vaccination counter to the Government line. They must be held accountable and the primacy of the confidential doctor-patient relationship must be restored.
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[Roberts] Through this quickly then, I’d like to table this. My questions are for ATAGI because that’s where I was directed by the gentleman at the table now. Thank you. It’s in regard to AHPRA, this is from their website and I’ve also got another page on their website. Which I’m not tabling, but I’m happy to do so if needed. Dr. Crawford, are you there?
[Dr. Murphy] Here’s for AHPRA question might not be relevant, it’s ATAGI, senator. So let’s ask you a question and we’ll see…
Okay we’ll ask a question to everyone then. Well, some, this is on ATAGI and national boards. Position statement goes back to 9th of March, 2021 right from the start, pre-vaccine. While some health professionals, practitioners, sorry, may have a conscientious objection to COVID 19 vaccination. All practitioners, including students on placement must comply with local employer, health service or health department policies, procedures and guidelines relating to COVID 19 vaccination national boards regulate individual practitioners and not health services or state and territory health departments. Down the bottom of this notice, it says, any promotion of anti-vaccination statements or health advice which contradicts the best available scientific evidence or seeks to actively undermine the national immunisation programme, including via social media, is not supported by national boards. And the doctors read this, may be in breach of the codes of conduct and subject to investigation and possible regulatory action. So that was very, very clear. Then there’s a social media guideline which I won’t go through now. So I, is anyone aware of John Larter, who is a experienced paramedic who took a vocal stand against mandatory vaccination in his industry against mandatory vaccination. AHPRA moved swiftly on him and Larter told the media that he was not even given an official reason for his suspension when it happened. Ros Nealon-Cook is a psychologist who took it upon herself to warn Australians on social media of the severe and widespread harm being caused to child development and mental health by prolonged lockdowns. She was instantly suspended for her trouble. The more concerning one, these are all of concern in August of 2021, the COVID medical network published an open letter titled “First Do No Harm”. The COVID medical network’s open letter did not list any authors. So APRA went to the Australian securities and investments commission ASIC, and found out the names of the three directors of the COVID medical network. Two were doctors and their medical licences were immediately suspended. The COVID medical network was formed in 2020 to provide the public with informed evidence based advice concerning lockdowns and other matters that differs from that of the government and its bureaucratic instruments. The organisation runs a weekly video conference that is tuned into by hundreds of Australian health practitioners, professionals, sorry. The other, one of these doctors who were suspended, Robert Brennon was given written reasons for his instant termination. APRA accused him of spreading, quote, Medical Misinformation, unquote via the COVID medical network open letter because this is the words that APRA used, the content of both the letter and the video contrary to New South Wales public health orders because I’ll say that again, the content of the letter and the video are contrary to New South Wales public health orders enforced at the time and have the potential to undermine public health strategies by potentially influencing medical practitioners and the community not to be vaccinated. Then they go on, APRA, to say, it is not our role to evaluate the scientific validity of the letter. Our concern is that the letter strongly argued a highly polarised position contrary to public health order. In other words, the position argued by Dr. Brennon and the COVID medical network might be scientifically correct. And the position of the Australian government scientifically incorrect but as far as APRA is concerned. The crime lies in contradicting the government’s position.
[Lady] Senator Roberts, so you have a question?
Yes I do, why is AHPRA allowed to do this? And what are you doing to make sure AHPRA is held accountable? Because they’re not as far as I know, to the parliament.
So APRA is a creature of all governments. So it’s a creature of all state territory governments and the Commonwealth government. It has its, and it has a range of boards of experts. So there’s a medical board and there are boards of nursing and paramedicine. And I think the message really is in that that final statement that said that promotion of statements or advice that contradicts the best available scientific evidence or seek to actively undermine the national immunisation programme has been determined by APRA and by its expert boards as being unprofessional conduct. And we would support that contention by AHPRA.
So can I get access to that evidence from a AHPRA?
What evidence?
That it’s the best scientific evidence.
[Doctor Murphy] Well, I think the best I think professor been giving you the best scientific evidence all morning, about the the benefit of vaccination. And I think that’s just, there are scientific standards that are well established in the literature.
Can I get the evidence? Not statements and opinions about the evidence. Can I get the evidence?
We can give you lots of evidence?
[Roberts] No can I get AHPRA’s evidence? They’re touting, but remember Dr. Murphy, it’s not only, what might be scientific, it’s also about the contradiction of the public health statements
Senator, if you would like to provide that information to us, we can investigate it on notice and go back to AHPRA
[Roberts] Provide what to you?
And understand what you…
[Roberts] This information?
Yeah, yeah. If you can provide it to us,
[Lady] Senator Roberts.
We can follow it up.
[Roberts] Final question.
[Lady] I’m just conscious of time. Cause I’ve got four other senators now, asking to ask questions.
I’d like to know why ATAGI is not here in person. And also I’d like to know…
Professor Crawford is here online. He’s actually based in Melbourne, senator, so…
[Roberts] Thank you. That’s all I needed to know. I’d like to know the relationship between, Dr. Murphy, between the boards, APRA and the AHPPC. And the final question, public health is quite often used these days in America and in Australia as a catch-all for the community, public health, when, and that’s why orders are given and people are supposed to follow them. But public health is a nonsense. It’s not an entity. The primary public health goes back to the primary relationship between a doctor and a patient. In this country, now, are you aware that there is not a relationship between many doctors and their patients because the doctor has got a puppet master behind him telling him what him, what he can and cannot say.
The Individual relationship between a doctor and his patient is sacrosanct and APRA would not have any problem with a doctor.
[Roberts] Dr. Murphy, they have.
AHPRA would not have a problem with a doctor having an individual discussion with his or her patients around vaccination. What this is talking about is the public promotion of misinformed and wrong scientific evidence. So that’s what they’re concerned about, bringing the profession in to distribute and undermining public confidence.
But what I’m talking about is doctors who are very concerned.
[Lady] Senator Roberts your time has expired now we’re going to move on, I’m sorry.
Just one minute. What I’m very concerned about is doctors who are telling me personally that they cannot give advice because AHPRA is sitting behind them. So what they’re getting is a public health dictate when they go to the doctor, not advice.
Well if you can provide evidence of that
Yes, I will.
We’ll be happy to investigate.
[Roberts] Who do I provide it to?
[Physician] And Senator, I’m very happy to provide a definition of public health as a public health physician. Is it actually a recognised AHPRA profession? And that is me and there are others in the department that have that. And I would refer to my opening statement about what the definition of a public health physician does and how that works. It’s about protecting the population at the population level and preventing death at the population level. That is not in any way to take away the importance, absolute vital importance of the individual doctor, individual patient relationship. It’s a different part of the profession.
During investigations into the the abuse of casual coal miners I found that the government has spent over $2.4 billion on casual labour hire from one firm, Chandler Macleod Group, alone. The government couldn’t even tell me what the total casual labour hire bill was across all agencies because they don’t even collect that data. The fact that the Australian Public Service Commission don’t even know how much money they’re spending is inexcusable.
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Senator ROBERTS: Thank you, Chair, and thank you all for appearing today. When we were investigating, over the last 2½ years, the abuses of casual black-coal miners in the Hunter Valley, we noted that there were thousands of casuals working for the Australian Public Service, with hundreds of millions of dollars being paid to labour hire firms. Why does the Public Service do this?
Mr Woolcott : Could you just put that question to me again, Senator? I didn’t quite understand. You’re talking about why we employ casual hire?
Senator ROBERTS: Casuals. We know that some people prefer to work casually; so I’ve got nothing against casuals. We know that casuals fulfil a basic secondary role within any workplace, with fluctuating workloads, someone going on leave, projects et cetera. Why does the Public Service use so many labour hire firms to employ these casuals?
Mr Woolcott : It’s for agency heads to determine how they construct their workforce. The Public Service Act sets out that the normal method of engagement is full-time, ongoing employment as a public servant, but there are provisions in the Public Service Act for non-ongoing and other aspects. It’s very much for each individual agency head to work out what is the appropriate mix of their workforce. Obviously, if it’s work that fluctuates then it’s quite appropriate for them to use labour hire and casuals to manage those fluctuations. But again, as I say, it’s a matter for each individual agency head. They’re the accountable authority. They have responsibility for delivering for the government and the Australian community and it’s for them to work out their proper mix.
Senator ROBERTS: As the Australian Public Service Commission, I imagine you’d be interested in efficiency, cost-effectiveness and employees’ conditions?
Mr Woolcott : Obviously we’re intimately involved in many of those aspects but, in terms of running that agency and running the duties and obligations that they are committed to undertake, it’s for them to do that.
Senator ROBERTS: I get that point. How many casuals are currently employed across the Australian Public Service—hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands?
Mr Woolcott : I think it’s 87 per cent that is ongoing. Ms Steele will have the data.
Ms Steele : That’s correct. In terms of casuals in the last year, we have at the moment 8,696 casuals. That’s an increase of 51 since December 2020.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. How many of those would you know are casuals in their own right employed directly by the Australian Public Service and how many are labour hire subcontractors or labour hire firms?
Ms Steele : I do not know that. I do know that those who are employed for a specific term or task are a further 10,816.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. How many casuals have been employed in the Australian Public Service for more than six months?
Ms Steele : I would have to take that on notice.
Senator ROBERTS: Could you, and could you also provide a de-identified report—anonymous employees—by department, by labour hire company or direct employment, by cost and duration of service?
Ms Steele : We don’t collect that information about labour hire firms or companies; we only collect the number of casuals by agency.
Senator ROBERTS: This one you’ll probably have to take on notice too, Ms Steele: how many casuals, internal or labour hire, have converted from casual to permanent employment in the Australian Public Service in the past 12 months?
Ms Steele : I will take that on notice.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. Are casuals that the Australian Public Service has engaged through labour hire companies able to convert to the Public Service roles that they’ve been working in for more than six months?
Ms Steele : No.
Senator ROBERTS: If someone has been engaged for more than six months it would seem that they’re needed, so why wouldn’t they be eligible? Because the employer is not the Public Service?
Mr Spaccavento : I think it’s important to draw a distinction between a casual employee and a labour hire employee. A casual employee is an employee of the Australian Public Service and is eligible to convert to permanent employment if they meet the criteria laid out in the Fair Work Act and the Public Service Act. A labour hire employee is an employee of an entirely different company and not of the Public Service. A labour hire employee would not be eligible to convert to permanent employment.
Mr Spaccavento : No, because in one instance the employee is a direct employee of the Australian Public Service, directly engaged by an agency. So it’s a contract of service versus a contract for service.
Senator ROBERTS: I understand that. We’ve seen the abuse of coal miners, for example, and we’ve seen hints of abuse of casual workers in other sectors as well—lost entitlements, basic safety provisions, significant pay cuts—and it seems to me that it’s just a naked attempt to go around the provisions of the Fair Work Act.
Mr Spaccavento : Casual employees in the Australian Public Service are engaged under the terms and conditions of agency enterprise agreements, so they receive essentially the same terms and conditions as permanent employees. I say ‘essentially’ because there’s some leave entitlements they don’t get and there is a casual loading. Labour hire employees are obviously different because they are employees of a different organisation. There’s a range of reasons why agencies would engage labour hire firms, and that would be a decision for that agency head to make.
Senator ROBERTS: In the course of our investigations in the Hunter Valley, Central Queensland and elsewhere we found, for example, that the Chandler Macleod Group was paid an estimated $2.4 billion over four years for providing labour hire contractors or labour hire employees to the Australian government. That seems pretty substantial to me.
Mr Spaccavento : I can’t comment on decisions that agencies have made.
Senator ROBERTS: Are you aware if these casuals under labour hire firms are paid the same and have the same terms and conditions as similar roles that they work beside?
Mr Spaccavento : Because it’s outside of our remit, we don’t have visibility of what labour hire employees are paid or the conditions they are on. It would be a matter of the employment arrangements they have made with the labour hire company and those employees. I couldn’t say yes or no to that question because we don’t have responsibility or visibility of it.
Senator ROBERTS: Minister, this is a request for an opinion: do you think that’s reasonable?
Senator Duniam: In terms of the decisions that heads of agencies make around it?
Senator ROBERTS: The employment of people for more than six months by a labour hire firm could be a way of getting around the requirement now to offer casual conversion.
Senator Duniam: As the commissioner outlined earlier, heads of agencies make decisions with regard to how they engage their workforce based on the needs at the time. There are a range of circumstances that they obviously take into consideration. I would have every faith in those heads of agencies that they are doing the right thing to ensure that the people they work for, the taxpayers of Australia, are getting the service that’s required and that their employees are being treated properly as well.
Senator ROBERTS: With respect, that’s a nice motherhood statement, but I’ve seen people who work for firms with reputable international and Australian reputations completely abusing workers in this country. That has come as a big shock. To compound that, neither the Labor Party nor the Liberal Party nor the National Party nor state and federal governments nor the various bureaucrats have been interested in this. They’ve ignored requests to investigate.
Senator Duniam: If there are specific cases of abuse of employees then there are appropriate channels to deal with those things. I would encourage you, or those you ask these questions on behalf of, to take action, because that’s the appropriate thing to do. I don’t think there’s anyone around this table, on that side or this side, that would seek to endorse any abuse of employees or withdrawal or withholding of entitlements.
Senator ROBERTS: It’s remarkable—and I’m not accusing people of doing that in the Public Service—and I’m trying to find out whether or not the government and the Public Service understand there is a potential for that. We’ve seen that widely in other industries from so-called reputable firms. I’ve heard some stories about the Public Service hiring $2.4 billion worth of labour hire people over four years. That’s a staggering figure.
Senator Duniam: I appreciate you’re not making an accusation. Certainly, your point is that there could be potential, or you’re trying to seek an understanding of whether there is. If there is a single case of this abuse then I would expect that it would be raised and referred to the appropriate authorities and dealt with accordingly.
Senator ROBERTS: What doesn’t give me confidence—I accept what you’re saying—is that some people in the Hunter Valley, for example, raised this repeatedly over the course of about five years and got nowhere, neither from the state nor the federal government, with blatant breaches of the law. I’m just trying to understand, if the Public Service know that this could be going on, what they’re doing to protect not only workers who work for them permanently, casually, directly, but also those who work indirectly through labour hire firms, because not all labour hire firms are ethical.
Mr Woolcott : I’m not aware of the particular issues that you are raising. Obviously, if you have concerns, please take them up with the relevant minister or with his department in relation to the way they manage their affairs.
Senator ROBERTS: I’m trying to find out whether or not you’re aware of the particular—
Mr Woolcott : I’m not aware of any of the particular concerns that you’re raising, Senator.
Senator ROBERTS: Or the potential for that. Are you aware that casual workers who are employed either directly or through labour hire firms have less job security and find it harder, for example, to get home loans, because one of the requirements for a home loan is a secure, permanent job?
Mr Woolcott : Again, it’s not an issue that’s been brought to my attention.
Senator ROBERTS: So you’re not aware; okay. These workers who are working for the Public Service for more than six months miss out on the terms and conditions of government employment. Is that reasonable?
Mr Woolcott : You’re asking me for an opinion there.
Senator Duniam: With respect to the decisions made by heads of agency around how they engage their workforce, either in the way you’ve characterised or otherwise, as the commissioner has outlined, it’s a matter for them based on the needs of the community they serve and the work that they do. Personally, I would love to ensure that everyone gets everything they’re entitled to, and I have every expectation that, for those who are engaged, under whatever contractual arrangement occurs, those contracts are in alignment with the law and are done in accordance with what is legally required of the employing agency. My hope is that everyone gets what they deserve and nothing less.
Senator ROBERTS: That’s my hope, too. But in the Hunter Valley, for a period of seven years now—five years until we started working on it—there were many people who were abused and exploited, and they were told to go and talk with the state department, WorkCover. They were told to take it up with the federal government, and nothing happened. We were then actively misrepresented when we tried to do something about it. Eventually, we prevailed in some areas and we’re still working on others. So it could happen in the Public Service, and I’m checking to make sure that the Public Service is aware of some of these things; that’s all.
Senator Duniam: You have brought this concern to the commissioner’s attention. Certainly, the minister that I’m representing will be aware of your concerns. Again, if there’s a specific instance or a series of them, we should deal with them in the appropriate forum.
Senator ROBERTS: One final question, Chair: what margin is paid to labour hire firms when you engage a casual through them? I’m now putting on my other hat; instead of protecting constituents, I’m protecting taxpayers, who are also constituents. What’s the margin?
Mr Woolcott : We don’t keep data on that, so I can’t answer that question. It would be a matter for each particular agency head, in terms of the arrangements they have. We don’t collect data on that issue.
Senator AYRES: Ms Steele, I didn’t hear your answer to Senator Roberts’ initial question. I think you gave an answer—tell me if I’m wrong—which was about the number of direct casuals and the number of non-ongoing; and, consistent with the APSC’s previous answers to the committee, you don’t have an answer for the number of labour hire employees engaged by the APSC?
Ms Steele : That is correct.
Senator AYRES: The justification for what I think is an impossible proposition is still the same, Mr Woolcott, is it?
Mr Woolcott : We collect data on Australian public servants, and arrangements under the APS act fall outside our terms of reference. Having said that, Senator, it’s always appropriate to look at ways to improve data collection and our understanding of the public sector workforce. We will continue to do so, and use the COO committee to that end.
Senator AYRES: Does that mean that you’re heading towards being able to collect that data, to be able to identify what proportion of the workforce is privatised, or are you just making a general comment?
Mr Woolcott : I’m just making a general comment at this point, Senator.
Senator AYRES: So it’s still studied ignorance on labour hire. With the survey work that the commission does on a regular basis, there’s been no consideration given to extending that survey work to the experience that labour hire employees have with the Public Service?
Mr Woolcott : Not at this point.
Senato r ROBERTS: There’s no guarantee—you can’t provide a guarantee—that there’s no wage theft going on in the industry, in the public sector?
Mr Woolcott : No, I can’t provide that guarantee.
Senator Duniam: Again, it’s important to say that, if there are examples of that, I’ll walk with you to the appropriate authority; we’ll make sure that they’re made aware, that investigations occur and justice is done.
Mr Woolcott : The workforce ombudsman, Sandra Parker, obviously looks at this aspect very closely in terms of both the private sector and the public sector.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/AkCEICCD1DM/0.jpg360480Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2022-04-07 15:39:162022-04-07 15:41:05Government spending $2.4 billion on casuals with one Labour hire firm alone
I would have thought COVID data on deaths in Aged Care would be on hand for the Government, especially at Senate Estimates. Instead they’ve taken the questions on notice. I was also surprised to find that there had been no improvement in breaches of the Aged Care Quality Standards.
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Senator ROBERTS: Thank you all for attending today. I have three sets of questions. The first is pretty straightforward: it’s only one question. How many aged-care residents died of COVID-19 by state per month since March 2020; and how many died in aged care within four weeks of receiving a COVID-19 injection?
Dr Murphy : I don’t think we could provide that information other than on notice.
Dr Murphy : We can certainly provide that on notice. That sort of level of detail wouldn’t be available to officials today.
Senator ROBERTS: Can you provide data by state per month on the deaths due to COVID; and the deaths within four weeks of receiving a COVID-19 vaccination?
Mr Lye : Regarding the second part of that question about the relationship to vaccinations, I think that the work that Professor Kelly’s leading may shed some light on that question but it might be harder to get than the other. But I think that we can get the other data quite simply. The second one might take a bit longer.
Senator HUGHES: Senator Roberts, can I ask a question maybe through you for the real COVID death rate. For example, what is the death rate for people who had cancer or were in palliative care but also had COVID; did they die of COVID or did they die of the cancer that they had? When you get those figures, can we actually have a look? I know a lot of COVID deaths were put down as the person dying of COVID—as opposed to with COVID—and that other factors were involved.
Dr Murphy : As we said at the last estimates, I think that the Victorian health department did some detailed analysis on their aged-care deaths and found that 44 per cent of people who died with COVID had died primarily from another cause such as cancer or severe dementia. We always report them as COVID deaths because we want to be absolutely inclusive; however, in many of these vaccinated people who’ve had another condition, the COVID is incidental to the cause of death.
Senator ROBERTS: Mr Lye, before I move to the next question, I would have thought it would be fairly simple, given the aged-care records, to know whether or not a person died within four weeks of getting a COVID injection.
Mr Lye : I’m outside of my area of competence but, to save other officials coming up, I think the complexity is working with states and territories around settled death data, which takes some time, and then the additional linkage to the system that covers immunisation.
Dr Murphy : Yes, we certainly can link to the immunisation record, and that data analysis can be done. As you know, Senator, the TGA also does get reports of deaths reasonably close to vaccination. Many of those are considered completely coincidental and not related to the vaccination. We can explore what we can do by data linkage to see if we can come up with an answer.
Senator ROBERTS: I’d be surprised if you couldn’t tell me if someone died within four weeks of getting their injection, but anyway we’ll see what happens.
Dr Murphy : With 1,000 people per week in aged care dying and a busy immunisation program, there will definitely be some who die within a month of their injection just as a matter of course.
Senator ROBERTS: I accept that, but we’ll see if there is any trend.
CHAIR : Senator Roberts, we have to break at 11 am, so you need to conclude by then. I am just giving you a heads-up.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you, Chair. I move to the second set of questions. One in three nursing homes continue to spend less than $10 a day per resident on food, despite being given an extra $10 a day by the Morrison government. How are you checking whether the cash that the government gave providers is being used for its intended purposes?
Mr Lye : I might hand over to Ms Laffan and the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commissioner on this. The short answer is that we have required people to report to us on nutrition based on that uplift in funding. Those people who hadn’t given us assurance that they would report to us have had their additional funding stopped. Then we have a process by which people who haven’t met the standard are referred to the quality and safety commissioner. I’ll let Ms Laffan give you a complete answer and then the commissioner, who is here, can give you more detail again.
Ms Laffan : As Mr Lye said, first we require providers to provide an undertaking that they will use the money with a focus on food and nutrition and then we require quarterly reporting on matters of food and nutrition. We’ve recently released the data from the first two quarters. We found that 75 per cent of providers reported on-site only spending on food and ingredients, with an average spend of $12.25 in the July quarter and $12.44 per resident per day in the quarter starting in October. Those providers that spent less than $10 per day were referred to the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission. Ms Anderson may be able to tell you what she has been doing with that information.
Ms Anderson : We received a list of 883 services—referred from the department—which had reported less than $10 expenditure per day on a calculated basis. We looked closely at that list and then we added some services to it on the basis of our analysis of risk. We added to it services who appeared to use only preprepared food and then added a further number who use a combination of fresh and preprepared food where they had relatively low expenditure on food and associated labour. We looked at a list of 955 services, so a larger list than came across from the department, and we made an assessment of their food and nutrition profiles.
We looked at that in the way that we assess risks generally, by looking at a number of different parameters. We looked at their relative ranking in relation to the quality indicator for unplanned weight loss and at the top percentile of concern there. We looked at the relative number of complaints that we had received about that service in relation to food and nutrition and rated those low, medium and high. We also looked at any findings of noncompliance that we had made about those services in relation to the standard in the Aged Care Quality Standards specifically relating to food, 4(3)(f), which says: ‘Where meals are provided, they are varied and of suitable quality and quantity.’
On the basis of that analysis of the 905, 4.5 per cent of those services were rated as high risk for noncompliance with the expectations in relation to food and nutrition, and another 41.3 per cent were rated at medium risk. The balance were rated at low risk, or they had not yet submitted their quality indicator data which meant that we weren’t able to do a full risk profile. We then looked at the high- and medium-rated risk services. Those services we rated as having a high-risk profile will be prioritised in our monitoring schedule in terms of their compliance specifically with that requirement in the quality standards. I won’t go into more detail about that because if we are to undertake a visit, our visits are unannounced. But I can say that there will be a greater intensity in the monitoring that we undertake of those services. Services which have been rated as high or medium risk will be required to participate in an education program that we’re currently putting together which will give them more information and be clearer about the expectations that the Australian community has of them in relation to food, nutrition and the dining experience. We’ll be expecting both staff and management to participate in those educational sessions.
Senator ROBERTS: Would it be fair to say that they know they’re being watched?
Senator WATT: Do the high-risk facilities—I’m not going to ask you to name them individually—tend to be major providers or smaller independent providers? Is it a mixture? Is there any sort of trend there?
Ms Anderson : I’m sorry, I really don’t have access to that detail. It is an interesting question, I agree with you, but I really can’t answer it today, I’m sorry. I’ll have to take it on notice.
Senator ROBERTS: I understand you measure quality and safety standards—has the rate of breaches of quality and safety standards improved specifically? Can you quantify it?
Ms Anderson : No, there’s been no material improvement in assessed compliance with the Aged Care Quality Standards. However, it’s a complicated question to answer succinctly, because we have been improving our capability as a risk based regulator, which means that we are more able to identify the higher risk services because we are more proficient and skilful in understanding bits of intelligence that come to us. We put them together as information in a risk profile for individual services, and we understand how that profile relates to other profiles for peer organisations. In that risk profiling exercise, we pay greater attention to those who are rated as higher risk. Our detection rate for noncompliance has actually improved because we know where to look. We are finding high levels of noncompliance, but we’re also looking in the right places for noncompliance. That is why I can’t say categorically that we are seeing overall improvements in quality and safety, because as a regulator we are becoming more efficient and effective in identifying noncompliance.
Senator ROBERTS: Minister, would it be possible for one of my staff to go and have a talk with the agency?
Senator ROBERTS: Senior Australians have different needs and health issues to younger people, yet they’re treated as part of a larger community segment. Why do we not have purpose-built seniors focused healthcare facilities, including seniors’ hospitals? Wouldn’t that be a way of not only improving the service but saving money?
Dr Murphy : The average age of the in-patient in our major state and territory public hospitals is about 70, so effectively we do have hospitals that are looking after the elderly, because—as you obviously realise—chronic disease and the disease burden mostly increase as we get older. But I think your point is valid. There are some specialist services that are very much directed toward dealing with the elderly, and we have a very strong focus in the department to enhance working with the states and territories to get geriatric services into aged-care facilities. There are now some very good models of in-reach where those aged-care services get those specialist geriatric services and specialist mental health services. But, essentially, our hospitals are largely for the treatment of people of more advanced years, given that’s the nature of disease.
Senator ROBERTS: It’s a useful point you raise, because I and many people find hospitals daunting, so for an elderly person it’s even more daunting. Some doctors say it’s better to stay out of hospital; they’re not being derogatory, they’re just saying—
Dr Murphy : You don’t want to be in a hospital unless you really need to be in a hospital—
Mr Lye : The multidisciplinary outreach measure in the budget is precisely about bringing gerontologists and some of those health experts into residential aged care to give that access in the home setting. When people have a more complex set of health circumstances, what we don’t want is the residential aged-care facility just quickly admitting them to hospital all the time, and them having that experience, when it could be delivered in the residential facility.
Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. Who do we contact, Secretary, for the previous question?
Dr Murphy : I think we can seek a briefing from Minister Colbeck’s office.
https://img.youtube.com/vi/Omn3bm2OMlw/0.jpg360480Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2022-04-06 10:56:392022-04-06 10:56:42Where’s the death data for Aged Care Vaccinations?
Investigating the vaccine, the TGA and the Government’s failings with Maria Zeee.
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Maria Zeee:
Welcome to Maria Zeee Uncensored. I’m your host, Maria Zeee, reporting to you from the epicentre of the testing ground for the New World Order, right here in Australia. And the world will do well to watch this country because whatever they test here and implement successfully, rest assured, it will come to other countries. I believe that to know what you’re standing for, you first must know what you’re standing against and my mission is to expose the truth of this entire agenda to help people do that. Right here. Uncensored.
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Share the truth at whatever cost.
Maria Zeee:
Over the past two years, we’ve seen Australia slipping into what can only be described as a complete totalitarian society. Now, as they try to sweep COVID, the effects of these bioweapons, police brutality, and government overreach, under the rug by distracting us all with world war, we, the people, have not forgotten. I’ll be discussing this more later on in the show, but first I’d like to introduce you to a brave Australian Senator. Senator Malcolm Roberts recently held a COVID Under Question committee where professionals from the medical field expose the nanotechnology that is undeniably in the Pfizer injection vials. Yes, the same injections that they’ve been forcing onto global citizens for the purpose of changing what it means to be human. In my recent interview with Dr. Matt Shelton and Sue Grey, a lawyer from New Zealand, we see how four separate teams of scientists from our neighbouring New Zealand have discovered the same. If you haven’t seen that interview yet, you can watch it after the show on my page on Red Voice Media. But first, Senator Malcolm Roberts.
Maria Zeee:
Senator Malcolm Roberts, thank you so much for joining us today.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
It’s always a pleasure, Maria. I love to see your smiling face. And I know that you’re going to be factual so it’s so wonderful to see journalists or media people who are factual.
Maria Zeee:
Thank you. Thank you. So Senator Roberts has been fighting for Australians in parliament, speaking out over the past two years over the absolute tyranny that our people have been subjected to. And Australia is certainly blessed to have people like you in our corner, Senator Roberts. Now you recently led a COVID Under Question committee here in Australia where you came to some shock findings. Can you talk to people please about the findings from this committee?
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
We haven’t finalised the findings yet, but I can just go by memory. I haven’t got my notes in front of me, but it was stunning. We had people from … first of all, cross-party. It was a multi-party event. The third session, that was the blood pathology work which I’ll share with you in a minute, that was another astounding thing. I’d seen their work before so I knew what to expect. They found basically, angular structures, not natural, in the Pfizer vaccine. I’ve seen-
Maria Zeee:
You told me offline that you’d actually been there and seen it.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
I saw it.
Maria Zeee:
And you’ve seen this under a microscope.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Yeah.
Maria Zeee:
So talk us through that process please.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Well, to make sure, we took a video of one take, so we didn’t turn the camera off. We took one take from the … in the downstairs lab where they do things under a proper air hood. They took the Pfizer vaccine out of the fridge. My wife was doing the camera work, so I know it’s legit. And I was introducing it and watching it the whole time. We took them into the fridge. They took the Pfizer vial out. This had all been kept under standard conditions. No doctoring of the Pfizer.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
They opened the vial, took the sample out, injected it with the syringe, put it onto the slide, put the slide cover on the slide, then put it in the carry case. Then the scientist carried it. All the time. That slide and slide container were in the same field, in the focus of the camera, went up the stairs to the lab, to the microscope rather, and then put it under the microscope. The whole time, it was in there. So no one could have swapped it out. It was one take. And then the camera went back and took in a broader view of the computer monitor, which showed what was in the slide and there were luminous angular objects. Clearly not natural. Clearly not natural. And we just did that once to show people that this wasn’t dummied up, doctored.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
And so then what the two blood pathologists did was, at their presentation inquiry last Wednesday, they showed some samples from various Pfizer vials. They also showed some injected blood, people who’d been injected with the Pfizer vaccine.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
They’ve also sampled, I think they’ve sampled, AstraZeneca. But what you see in the Pfizer vials, Pfizer samples, these angular structures, luminous structures. Then in the blood samples, you see the white cells going onto the angular structures and the white cells dying. And then you see the red blood cells, which are very important for oxygen-carrying, agglomerating into basically just bunches of cells. And remember, some capillaries are so small, that one blood cell goes down at a time. Well, sorry, one red blood cell goes down at a time. Each blood cell’s got two surfaces on it for releasing carbon dioxide, sorry, releasing oxygen into the cells. And then the blood absorbs the carbon dioxide and takes it away. It just gets dissolved. All right? So the red cells are important for getting the oxygen from the lungs into your metabolism. And so when you’ve got, say 20 red blood cells, all together, instead of having 40 surface areas liberating oxygen, you’ve only got the first one and the second one. You’ve got two. So your oxygen-carrying capacity is decreased. So all kinds of stupid behaviour, unnatural behaviour, in people who’ve been injected. And a [crosstalk 00:06:29]
Maria Zeee:
Senator Roberts, you’ve been involved in multiple inquiries in parliament where you’ve questioned the Australian health authorities on these matters. At any point, or on the safety and efficacy of these so-called vaccines, which they’re not, at any point has anyone told you that there’s a possibility of nanotechnology being found in these vials or being included in these injections that are being pushed onto Australian people?
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Never. Never. What’s more Maria, we know that in October, there were 546 deaths or 564. I think it’s 546 deaths reported by doctors that were attributed to these injections. I don’t call them vaccines. They’re not. They’re injections.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
So I asked the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s head, Professor Skerritt, on what basis they revise them down from 546 to just nine. Okay? I asked that as a question on notice, and I said, “I want to know the process by which you review each of those reports from doctors and you dismissed them. I want to know, was there an autopsy done? Was there a blood analysis done? Blood culture. Was there tissue cultures done? What is the process?”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
And he had six weeks to get that to me. We didn’t get it. In February, which is what, October, November, December, January, February, four months later, we said, “Where are those results? Where’s the answers to my questions?”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
“Oh, we sent them.”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
“No, you didn’t.”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
And then he implied straight away, “We’ll send them immediately.” We still haven’t got them, Maria. They won’t tell us the process by which they revise the deaths downward. We’ve now got 798 deaths as of last week reported by doctors. And we know that’s just a fraction of the total number because doctors are scared to report and attribute anything to the vaccines. 798. They’ve been revised down to 11.
Maria Zeee:
Unbelievable.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
So they’re hiding things.
Maria Zeee:
They are hiding things. And they’re also not conducting autopsies with all of these people that are dying either, to confirm whether or not it was actually the vaccine that caused this. Because it seems that the judicial system is failing us. It seems that most politicians, apart from a few such as yourself and the names that you’ve mentioned, actually have the courage or the integrity to look into these matters any further. What are people going to do, Senator Roberts? Because we’re potentially looking at … the data out of other countries is suggesting mass deaths that are coming for us.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Yep. It’s suggesting genocide. And what’s more, Maria, is so many things you can talk about here. What can we do? I think there’re going to be three solutions. And I can’t name which one at the moment, which will come through. I can’t identify it because I don’t know. Judicial? But they’re having troubles with some judicial, what do you call it, authorised, not judicial, areas of judiciary. They’re having some jurisdictions of judiciary. Parliamentary. And the third one is the people. And the most significant is the people because the people are the ones who put the pressure to the politicians. So people have got to keep standing up and we’ve seen some things eroding around the world. Jacinda Arderns collapsed after four weeks, I was told, of relentless demonstrations by Kiwis in Wellington, in front of Parliament. And she wilted. Canada wilted. Britain has wilted. Australia still hasn’t, but bits and pieces of it are starting to work. The mask mandates in some areas are coming down. Parliament now has no mask mandates.
Maria Zeee:
We see that potentially some of the restrictions are wilting, but we also have another problem, which is this incoming digital identity. And this, from the One Nation’s website, says that the digital identity acts as a master ID joining together previously disconnected government databases containing confidential, personal information and that it seeks to link all government data related to a person. But also more alarmingly, Senator Roberts, that it acts as a foundation for a China-style social credit system. So while they might be trying to sweep, what you just referred to as the genocide of these injections, under the rug and pretend that none of what they did to us over the past two years matters anymore, we’re actually going to, what seems to be the next phase of government control, which is digital identity. Can you talk to us about that?
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
The horrific things that they’re doing under COVID, that’s just foreplay. The real screwing comes in the Digital Identity Bill. And the COVID thing has been meant to be an introduction to the Digital Identity Bill. Can be seen as no other thing. The Digital Identity Bill does exactly what you said. It has been, get this, significant portions of it have been copied and pasted from the World Economic Forum into our legislation. Now it hasn’t been introduced formally into the lower house yet, into parliament, but it has been put out there for us to look at. So what some of the things that’ll come from this is that basically, your data, my data on health, and everything else will be linked. Then they can sell it to a corporation. That corporation could be in the United States. They don’t have to meet our laws when it comes to storing our data, access to our data. They will then possibly charge you for your access to your data on health.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
And then, what we’re looking at, is the elimination of cash. Now people might say, “Well, I just pay with my watch or my wallet, my phone. That’s easy. That’s good. I don’t need cash.” No, you do need cash. Because if there’s no alternative to cash, then what happens is, people then start slipping in a digital currency. Then you get a social credit system and a social credit system where you will, by doing certain things in a certain way, you will get more credit. They’re doing the Digital Identity Bill testing now. And so what they’ll also try to do … the Greens have already flagged … the Greens are the biggest control freaks in the country. They are the ones pushing vaccine mandates, injection mandates. They are pushing control. That’s what the Greens are all about. People are being diluted by the Greens. They’re starting to wake up, that the Greens are horrendous.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
And so the Greens introduce concepts and the Greens have introduced the concept of a living wage. A guaranteed wage. So what they’ll do is they’ll say, “Well, Maria, I don’t know what you’re earning. Let’s say you’re earning the average 80,000 a year. We’ll give you 50,000 a year for nothing.”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
“Oh, I don’t know if I can live. Yeah. Okay. I don’t have to work for that. That’d be great.” Everyone will get 50 grand a year. They’ve given it to you free. And then when you’re hooked and you’ve got nothing else to go to, they’ll suddenly say, “Maria, you know that four-wheel drive you’ve got? Get rid of it or else you’ll go down to 40,000. If you keep eating meat, you’ll go down to 30,000.”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
This is not fanciful. They have talked about it. The World Economic Forum has actually discussed these things. The UN is discussing these things. Get away from beef. They’re saying basically, that alcohol, beef, will only be for the rich. They haven’t said it like that, but they’ve said, “If you earn less than $300,000 a year, you shouldn’t eat meat. You should be eating insects.” Yes. Insects.
Maria Zeee:
Yes. Insects.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
The federal government has recently funded 64 million dollars to the United Nations to help it develop insects for us to eat. This is just insane. And so, Maria, when you get something free, you’re a bit worried and you should be. But if you’re a mouse and you can see cheese on a mousetrap, it’s free.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Just let that sink in. That cheese is free. You’ve got to get it and you’re dead. And that’s what this has all about. Not necessarily killing us, but making us slaves. This has already been discussed by many people. We’re returning to feudalism. We’ve now got, as a result of what I’ve been doing and what Jared’s been doing and Pauline’s been doing, we’ve got doctors now coming out and starting to speak up because they’ve realised they’ve lost their profession. I met with a vascular surgeon here in Canberra last Saturday at the rally I spoke with. Wonderful guy. Very, very bright. He’s lost his practise because, and he’s, probably going to have to sell his premises, because he can’t practise because he won’t comply with the vaccine mandates. We’ve got surgeons doing top jobs who have been out of paid work for seven months because of that.
Maria Zeee:
I wish that they’d spoken up sooner, Senator Roberts, because maybe then Australians wouldn’t have complied. And we wouldn’t have been in the state that we were, where we had police shooting rubber bullets at our peaceful protestors. We appreciate all of your work, Senator Roberts. Thank you so much for doing this inquiry and continuing to speak up. We need more brave politicians like you here in Australia and beyond.
Maria Zeee:
We are extremely fortunate to have people like Senator Roberts fighting for the truth and who are not afraid to stand up to these tyrants. And another person that’s not afraid is Simeon Boikov, the Aussie Cossack. He is an Aussie with a proud Russian heritage who’s been screaming from the rooftops from the beginning about what’s really happening in Russia and Ukraine. And I have to say, he’s been on the money a lot of the time.
Maria Zeee:
He’s also the man that leaked the viral documents about Australia’s involvement in the Ukraine biolabs and the Doherty Institute to the internet and has been under immense and unjustified mainstream media attacks ever since, including his YouTube channel of 155,000 subscribers, being suspended. That interview is available to premium users in the next segment. And I want to encourage everyone to subscribe for a premium membership with Red Voice Media. These guys have been giving me and other truthers out there a platform to get the truth out to more people and I support their work. And I hope you do too. I’ll see you in the next segment.
https://i0.wp.com/www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Capture.png?fit=502%2C279&ssl=1279502Senator Malcolm Robertshttps://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/One-Nation-Logo1-300x150.pngSenator Malcolm Roberts2022-04-05 14:02:092022-04-05 14:02:13Interview with Maria Zeee – 4 April 2022
