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Hrvoje Moric:
Geopolitics & Empire is joined by Queensland, Australia, Senator Malcolm Roberts, who is part of Pauline Hanson’s One Nation political party. I’ll be getting his thoughts on the tyranny that is coming at us from all angles in Australia and in the world. Good morning, Senator, and thank you for joining the podcast.
Malcolm Roberts:
Good morning, Hrvoje. It’s a pleasure to be here, and thank you very much for the invitation.
Hrvoje Moric:
I mean this as a great compliment, Senator. I’m a big fan of former Texas Congressman Ron Paul, whose views I think largely aligned with yours. I hope you don’t mind me calling you the Australian Ron Paul.
Malcolm Roberts:
I don’t think I’ve earned enough to deserve that, but I’m delighted that you call me that. Ron Paul is one of the best people in the world. He’s got courage, he’s got integrity, he’s got character, and he stays in touch with the people. He calls out the Federal Reserve Bank in America. He wants to have an audit of them. He fights for peace rather than defence. Wonderful man, wonderful, self-educated in economics, very, very bright man. I’m not even close to him, but thank you. I sincerely feel deeply honoured.
Hrvoje Moric:
I think it’s just easier for some of us who live outside of Australia to get an idea a bit more of Australian politics and the work that you do. There’s a lot going on, Senator, but I suppose we can begin with the public health emergency situation or pandemic in Australia and the world, but especially in Australia where the government is implementing many unbelievable restrictions on freedom. These include vaccine passports, the restriction of the right of movement, locking people in their homes, censorship, elimination of free speech, in some cases, perhaps rendition to quarantine facilities, the destruction of businesses, and so forth. Some of these issues you’ve commented on. How do you view the seemingly never-ending public health emergency that’s been going on now for two years and now these unprecedented permanent public health emergency measures being put into place? What’s going on?
Malcolm Roberts:
Well, how I view them? I view them very simply as immoral and inhuman, that they’re unlawful, unjustified. That’s how I view them. First of all, you mentioned a number of points and I’ll try to capture some of them. You talked about a pandemic. I never use the word pandemic because there is no pandemic of deaths, Hrvoje. None at all. If we look in Australia, then we have normal death rates as compared in past previous years. So then people in Australia might say, “Well, hang on, we’ve had lockdowns, that’s why we’ve not got a pandemic of deaths.” Okay, well, let’s look at other countries in the world. Nowhere is there a pandemic of deaths.
Malcolm Roberts:
For a pandemic, you must have a steep increase in deaths. That’s not happened anywhere. Now you could argue then Sweden, where there was no lockdowns, no quarantining, no real falling in line with the international globalist agenda, they did have an increase in deaths. Yes, they did, because some of the people who are falling victim to COVID have comorbidities. Obesity is one of them, for example, but they have comorbidities. Those deaths were probably brought forward. But now we see Sweden reverting to the mean. So even Sweden, there’s no pandemic of death. As I said, pandemics have to have a pandemic of death; there’s nothing here.
Malcolm Roberts:
The only thing with regard to the death data that’s unusual in Australia is since the injections have been introduced. Now we’re seeing that the number of deaths is above the upper range, and we believe that that is… Well, it’s not explained. So it raises serious questions about the injections, because we know that the number of deaths and that the adverse effects is far, far higher than people are telling us. We know that. We know that anecdotally. We also know that the Therapeutic Goods Administration in this country has supposedly investigated the 564 reported injection deaths that doctors have reported, but they have toned them down to just nine. So we have now asked the question of the Therapeutic Goods Administration in this country, “Show us the process by which you assess that.” That’s the first point I make: no pandemic of deaths.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now, the second point I make is that I’m not dismissing COVID at all. COVID does kill people, there’s no doubt about it. But I’ve asked for the data from our Chief Medical Officer for the federal government, and he has shown me that the data on transmissibility says that the transmissibility is high. You can catch it easily. But the transmissibility on… Sorry, the severity data shows that it’s low to moderate, much less than past severe flus. And so, what we are seeing is not something that’s severe, it can kill people, but we’re seeing that it has not been managed properly in this country. I’ll come back to that in a minute.
Malcolm Roberts:
The third point that I wish to discuss is you raised vaccine passports. I do not agree with the term vaccine passport. I do not agree with the concept. I go totally against the concept of the vaccine passport. But my opposition is more fundamental than that. These are not vaccine passports, they’re vaccine prisons. They’re injection prisons. They’re digital prisons. They keep a group of society away from society. I’ve not been injected, that’s my choice. But I pay my taxes, therefore, I’m entitled to the benefits of being in this society. I’m entitled to being treated as a human who is part of this society and wants the interaction. So digital prisons, vaccine prisons are not human. They’re immoral and inhuman. That’s the third point, I think.
Malcolm Roberts:
And the other point you mentioned was about quarantine. We don’t have quarantine in this country. We have lockdowns. Lockdowns are where you isolate everyone. You withdraw everyone from society, and that’s what we’ve had. It’s cruel, it’s barbaric, it’s inhuman. Quarantines are where you isolate the sick and the vulnerable. Now, I go back to the start of this in this country, Hrvoje. We had parliament basically shut down. And on the Monday, the 23rd of March 2020, we had our first single day session of parliament, where we met to sweep through the government’s bills. Now, what I said to them on that day was, “Look, we’re looking at the tens of thousands of deaths reportedly in overseas countries, like China, Italy, Spain, France, et cetera. So we know there may be something severe, so we have to treat this as serious. So, that’s the first thing. Secondly, we’re not going to stand in your way, we pass the legislation. Third thing, we expect you to get the data, you must get the data. And with that data, you must build a plan. And then we will hold your accountable.”
Malcolm Roberts:
We still have no data given to the public. The data I got from the Chief Medical Officer contradicts what the government is doing. There is no credible plan other than one plan for… It’s not even a plan, it doesn’t have responsibilities, it’s just inject, inject, inject. Everything in this federal government is based on one strategy, injection using something that has not been proven, not been approved. Even the government says it’s provisionally approved. So it’s not been fully tested. And on that basis, we’re destroying our country’s economy with withholding human basic human rights, withholding freedom. This is fundamental to our society.
Malcolm Roberts:
The next thing that I want to mention is that we have destroyed the notion of democracy in this country. We haven’t destroyed it, the government has destroyed it. At state level, we have Liberal, Labour, and National party governments, and at federal level, we have Liberal, National government with a Labour opposition. All of them have ignored the data. All of them have proceeded with just one strategy. In the states, it’s lockdowns. In the federal government, its injections. Now, on the 23rd of March 2020, on that fateful Monday, I pointed to two things. I pointed to the in vitro trials which were promising at Monash University in Melbourne on a drug called ivermectin. I also pointed to Taiwan and South Korea. Taiwan has been by far the best performing when it comes to managing COVID, by far the best, without a doubt. No one hears about them because the UN suppresses news of Taiwan. But Taiwan uses a proper system of testing, tracing, and quarantining. They lock briefly, partially, partially, after about 12 months after the virus arrived, because they had a breach in quarantine that they wanted to get control of quickly. They have demonstrated how lockdown should be used.
Malcolm Roberts:
Even the UN’s crooked, corrupt, incompetent, dishonest World Health Organisation now says that lockdowns are a weapon of last resort and should only be used initially to get control. Our state governments, Hrvoje, are continuing to use lockdowns, which means that after 19 months, they have not got control of this pandemic… This virus rather. It’s not a pandemic, this virus. So what we’re seeing is a complete breakdown in management, it’s mismanagement. We are seeing the people being lied to, we’re seeing the exaggerations in the media. We’re seeing censorship in the media. And censorship is a form of control. And wherever you see control, beneath control, there is fear. This government, our state governments are afraid of the people with the truth.
Malcolm Roberts:
We have also seen now injections of an unproven, not-fully-tested drug that’s been injected into healthy people and is killing healthy people. That’s the first time this has happened in our society, healthy people being injected with something forcibly, coerced into injections, and dying from it. The second thing is we have seen governments deliberately and consciously suppress the use of ivermectin, make it illegal. But ivermectin is a proven, safe, effective, affordable, and readily available treatment that is working in other countries overseas. We are being denied here. That is genocide in this country. So yes, I’m totally opposed to what the government is doing with mismanagement of this virus.
Hrvoje Moric:
Yeah. I would go back to what you said at the beginning about the mortality rate. I read this week from official mainstream sources in Germany that for the year 2020, there was no excess mortality. I did an interview 10 months ago with a Canadian scientist from Quebec who actually investigated the mortality rate, and again, there was no excess mortality. So by definition, we are not in a pandemic, but as we know, the World Health Organisation, they’re fudging, they’re changing all of the definitions of pandemic, they’re changing the definitions of vaccine, and so forth. I just wanted to dig a bit deeper on what you’ve mentioned about the economy and these vaccine passports as they’re called.
Hrvoje Moric:
The biggest fear that most of us have is what they’re calling now this great reset, this total digital transformation of our society’s economies. I’m getting emails every week from all over the world, from Canadians, from Australians, from Americans and British folks, looking to escape from their countries where it seems what you were describing in Australia, that this is happening right now in these countries. And some of us, I’m here in Mexico, we’re afraid that this is going to come to us. And so, could you perhaps tell us a bit more about how bad do you think this is going to get? And this vaccine passport, which is basically a digital ID, which is basically a social credit system, if this gets implemented and it continues, we won’t be able to live, to do anything without the express permission of the government and corporations. I saw a clip of you five months ago, you were interrogating the Australian Department of Health on this, and they were saying they were not working on this, but now we’re seeing these systems being deployed. So how bad do you think this can get?
Malcolm Roberts:
There’s a wonderful poster behind your left shoulder, “Liberty begins with you.” We need to remember that the people who will allow this most ultimately are the people themselves. In a democracy, the governed are governed only with their authority. So the government is given the authority by the governed to govern. That can be withdrawn at any time at an election. So liberty does indeed begin with you. Democracy begins with you, the individual voter. That is something we have forgotten about in this country. It’s not something I’ve forgotten about, but generally across the country, it has been forgotten and ignored.
Malcolm Roberts:
The problem here is governance, national governance, state governance. The overarching problem is the lack of parliamentary accountability, not holding the governments accountable. The parliaments, nowadays in this country, serve the political parties, the tired, old political parties, the major parties. They do not serve the people. The reason for that is because the people have lost sight of the fact that they control the government. They elect the government, they should hold the government accountable.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now, I blame the people for that, but at the same time, I also give the people some excuse for that. Because what’s happened is the political systems have been manipulated by both the tired, old parties, the Liberal, Nationals, and the Labour Party, so there’s only two parties opposing. The other parties have been suppressed. Both those parties alternating in government effectively have the same policies. They pretend they’re different, but they’re not. And so, the bureaucracy runs to the same tune over decades. And what we’re seeing now is a deliberate attempt to control the people. That’s the first thing. But the people ultimately are responsible, and they can rise up against this.
Malcolm Roberts:
Let’s go back to proper management. Our country has about 25 million people. Taiwan has 24 million. So we’re about the same size. Taiwan is a tiny island. It’s half the size of our smallest state in terms of area, which is Tasmania. It is 2% the size of the state I live in, Queensland, which is our second biggest state. So it’s a tiny fraction of the area of Australia. Taiwan also had a bigger risk with the virus coming in because they have exchange with China, mainland China, which is very close, but they have enormous numbers of people going in and out between the two countries.
Malcolm Roberts:
So the virus originated in China, in Wuhan, we know that. So Taiwan was much more susceptible to the virus at an earlier point. They also have a highly densely populated country, which means virus is much more easily transmitted across the country. But Taiwan, the leadership there is trusted, and I’ll come back to something else in a minute, the… What did they call it? I was introduced to it the other day. What are they? The catfish principle. I’ll come back to that in a minute. Taiwan has a much higher risk with the virus.
Malcolm Roberts:
In the first 12 months of the virus in Taiwan, they had seven deaths, seven. That’s it, not 700, seven. They never locked down their economy in the first 12 months at all. They just continued their economy as they went. They used proper testing, tracing, and quarantining. And when I say testing, not necessarily COVID testing. People were tested on their body temperature. And if they were above normal, they were set aside and given a COVID test. And if they were negative on the COVID test, they went to work as normal. So that’s how they managed it, vigorous tracing system. And if people were sick or if they were vulnerable, they were quarantined and protected, but the economy kept going. Now, Taiwan’s economy came down about 0.6 of a percent their GDP. When you consider that their main customers are North America, China, and Europe, their main customers were decimated because they were locked down, but Taiwan’s economy well hardly missed a beat.
Malcolm Roberts:
In Australia, though, we had a much lower risk with the virus, but our lockdowns, at the end of our first 12 months, we had almost 1,000 deaths, and we crippled our economy. We put people in misery. We withdrew human rights. Taiwan didn’t do anything of the sort. That’s the really important figure to understand. Now, I was talking with someone from Taiwan, knowledgeable person with Taiwan. Actually, I’ve talked with a few people. But this one on Saturday told me, in Canberra I met with him, and he told me of the catfish principle. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and the Norwegians actually raised this story first. The Japanese love eels, and Taiwan grows and produces eels. So they used to ship the eels to Japan live, and then not many would survive. And then someone came up the idea of putting a catfish in the container with the eels. That keeps the eels on their toes because catfish eat eels. Many more catfish survived because they were alert, they were active. The same thing happened with fishing in Norway.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now, the point is this, when I looked in the first 12 months at the country’s doing best with managing the virus, properly managing it, Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore. Now, some of them are no longer at the best level. Israel has succumbed to the injections, they’re having massive outbreaks. Singapore has succumbed to the injections, massive outbreaks. Hong Kong, we know has had more control exerted over it by China. South Korea had a major outbreak due to a lapse in their management, but they got it under control again. Taiwan had a major breakdown in quarantine, but they got it in control again. So Taiwan is the stellar performer. Taiwan did not lock down, they used proper testing, tracing, quarantining.
Malcolm Roberts:
All of those five countries that did well initially are countries with an element of threat. They value their security. Israel, we know why they value their security and why they’re under constant threat. South Korea, similarly. Hong Kong, similarly. Singapore, now it’s not under military threat, but it doesn’t have any natural resources, so it is under threat economically. And Taiwan, the same, both militarily and economically. All of these countries have governments that manage them properly because they know that if they make a mistake, millions of people are at risk. Our countries, Australia, America, Canada, Britain have got fat and sloppy. We are no longer well-managed, and that’s the core. The people in these countries that I mentioned, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Israel, Hong Kong, are on alert for threats. We’re not. We’re fat and sloppy, and that’s the problem. We have got a complacent population that lets the government do whatever it wants, and we have to stop that. I hope that summarises the answer.
Hrvoje Moric:
Yeah. I wanted to shift gears a bit to a different topic that… Well, it seems like it’s a different topic, but it’s really not if we listen to what the establishment and the elites are talking about, and that’s the climate issue, which you’ve been outspoken on. I’ve examined the issue of what once was called global cooling, I think, back in the 1970s, and then became global warming, which then became climate change. I find the thesis without merits. I find it to be nothing more than a ruse by an elite wishing to establish a technocratic control system, which also espouses their long-held philosophy of eugenics. I was shocked last week, we recently had Boris Johnson on television. I don’t recall when the clip was from, but people can find the clip where he jokingly says, “We should feed human beings to animals.”
Hrvoje Moric:
And his father, Stanley Johnson, on television said that a biological weapons mega event would be great because it would eliminate huge chunks of the human population. And so, as I mentioned before, now they’re trying to merge these two issues of pandemic and climate change, and now they’re talking about climate lockdowns. You’ve mentioned this in one of your speeches, they want to get rid of our meat, and they want us to get our protein from insects, which is pretty insane. And so, what are your thoughts on this climate agenda and climate lockdowns and so forth?
Malcolm Roberts:
Again, complete fabrication. And I’ll go into that in more… We might have to extend this to do this. But I didn’t address a couple of your points in your last comment about the virus mismanagement. You talked about the great reset, and you talked about digital identity and digital controls. The government in this country, which is supposedly democracy, but as I’ve said is not a functioning democracy… By the way, the definition of a… well, maybe not definition, but the characteristic of a true democracy is where the government fears the people. If the government misbehaves, the people toss them out. In a totalitarian dictatorship, the people fear the government. In this country, the people fear the government. Not in the sense of a Eastern European country behind the Iron Curtain when it existed, but certainly, the people fear the government here because of the draconian laws that we’ve had brought down on us.
Malcolm Roberts:
The government, we’ve seen legislation that they’re going to introduce next year. It’s called, get this, the Trusted Digital Identity Legislation. Trusted Digital Identity. Why would they call it trusted? Because it is not worthy of trust. What they want to do is control people with it. Now, I haven’t read that bill, but I’ve had an excellent staffer researching that bill, and she has come back with the report that another staffer who assigned her a job has said is horrific. That’s what they’re wanting to do here, they’re wanting to control people. The great reset is about controlling our whole life, controlling our economy, controlling our energy use, controlling our resources and access to resources, controlling water, controlling farming, controlling the food we eat. That is the great reset.
Malcolm Roberts:
We know that there’s a minister in this country who used to be the environment minister, his name is Greg Hunt. He worked in 2000 and 2001 on secondment to the World Economic Forum. He was Strategic Director. He developed some of the strategies that they’re using. He then became a representative in Australia’s parliament. He then became a minister. He became an minister for the environment, which oversaw climate. And this was under the Liberal-National Party government. As a minister for the environment, he was responsible for suppressing a review into the operation of the Bureau of Meteorology, which we know is corrupting the data. They have actually admitted changes in the data, have increased the warming rate. They’ve admitted that to me. What they haven’t acknowledged and what we’re chasing them on, is that that has been systematic.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now you’d think, Hrvoje, that errors in data, we know exist, and with better management and scrutiny, we can adjust the data, but you’d expect all the data errors to be random. Instead, what we see is from 1970, say this is 1970 in the graph, the data has been systematically increased in a linear fashion to exaggerate warming. The data prior to 1970 was decreased, so we have a much greater slope. So, that was fabricated. We see this as a ruse. You’ve mentioned that in 1976, the big call was for catastrophic global freezing due to hydrocarbon fuels, coal, oil, and natural gas. Now we see global warming, but now… Actually, we saw global warming, now we see climate change due to hydrocarbon fuels. These people are just fabricating whatever they want to get control of hydrocarbon fuels. Because whoever controls our energy, controls what we do.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now, it goes back. So it’s a complete fabrication. There is no evidence anywhere in the world. I have held NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies accountable. I’ve held our CSIRO accountable, Commonwealth Scientific Industry and Research Organisation, which provides the government with this data. Now, that minister that I told you about a minute ago, Greg Hunt, who was responsible for the environment and putting in some of these policies that protected these people who are adjusting the data and called upon the government to do something about climate based upon the CSIRO, that same man is now our health minister, putting in place a lot of these pandemic routines.
Malcolm Roberts:
We also see that I held for the last 12 years members of parliament, media, academics, government agencies accountable for their claims about climate. Not one of them has been able to provide me with the empirical scientific evidence proving that carbon dioxide from human activity affects climate. No one anywhere in the world, Hrvoje, has been able to quantify the specific effect of carbon dioxide from humans on climate, not even on temperature. So without that fundamental thing, quantifying the effect, you cannot make a policy. Without that, you cannot set targets. You cannot assess progress towards achieving those targets. You cannot do a cost benefit analysis. No one has got it anywhere.
Malcolm Roberts:
The leader of the government in the Senate, Mathias Cormann… formerly leader, sorry, he left and became head of the OECD, where he’s putting in place a lot of these globalist agenda. I asked him a number of times in the Senate for his empirical evidence proving the carbon dioxide from human activity effects climate, it needs to be cut. Never once did he provide it. He always resorted, ultimately, to saying, “We have to fulfil global responsibilities, our global duty. This is crap, Hrvoje. It is absolute crap. It’s run by a few companies, leaders, the globalists, the elites, to further their own nest to get control.
Malcolm Roberts:
I want to mention Maurice Strong. You’ve probably heard of him.
Hrvoje Moric:
Yeah.
Malcolm Roberts:
A criminal. Left the United States, a Canadian, left the United States where he was wanted for investigation into criminal activities by the American police and resided in China, in exile, voluntary exile. China is the main beneficiary of these policies. And Maurice Strong hid there. Maurice Strong, he died in 2015, was an exceptionally talented man, very, very gifted at networking, at manipulating people. He’s just one of these people who could do it. Now, he created the whole of this global warming scam, but it became climate change scam, back in the 1970s. He manipulated and formed the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the so-called scientists, that as a political organisation has never produced the science that proves that we need to cut carbon dioxide. And he has manipulated this throughout, and he’s done it by exerting control on the grassroots movements, people like Greenpeace, people like World Wildlife Fund, people like the other conservation organisations in this country that are pushing this crap. They’re just lies.
Malcolm Roberts:
We also have Prince Philip sometimes saying that he would like to come back as a virus and wipe out humans. I mean, what kind of person is this? I have a lot of respect for the Queen, but look at Prince Charles saying much the same kind of thing. Absolute insanity. And then we have the ultimate betrayal. When they can’t produce the evidence, they trot out an awkward 16-year-old who’s not very comfortable socially and put her on the stage and say, “We’ll do whatever Greta Thunberg says.” They parade her as the evidence. That is the complete logical betrayal of science. They’re putting up an awkward, unsociable 16-year-old, who’s now an 18-year-old, and portraying her as the reason we should do this. This is absolute crap. It’s blatant lies, blatant manipulation. I’ll say it again, they’re wanting control of our energy, control of our industry, control of our resources, control of our property, I didn’t mention that last time, but they’re controlling our property rights. They’re wanting control of water. These are fundamental, basic things about human existence. You control these, and you control everything humans do.
Malcolm Roberts:
They’re using what they call United Nation Sustainability, which is by definition reliant upon subsidies, which makes it unsustainable. Remove the subsidies and the account’s not sustainable. But with sustainability, they want to regulate everything we do, how we live, what we do. The second pillar of this United Nation’s control effort is biodiversity. “We’ve got to protect that fungus over there, those critters over there, the plants over there. We’ve got a toss you off your property because you’re less important than the fungus, the bugs, and the critters and the plants.” That’s rubbish.
Malcolm Roberts:
Then the third thing they want to do is to impose a globalist socialist governance, unelected. And that’s what Maurice Strong himself said many times, that that’s his two aims; to de-industrialise Western civilization, and to put in place an unelected, socialist, global governance. You don’t have to rely upon just Maurice Strong’s words because many senior people in the United Nations, the bureaucrats, Christina Figueres, for example, in charge of the United Nation’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, which oversees the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, she herself has said is to bring in a new world economic order. The Lima Declaration in 1975 was passed by a Labour prime minister in this country, the following year was ratified by the Liberal-National’s prime minister. And that is both sides have passed that.
Malcolm Roberts:
That is about transferring wealth, transferring knowledge, transferring manufacturing from our country to places like China. This has been orchestrated, it’s been deliberate. They’ve admitted that with their statements, their own policies. And our dopey government in this country, dishonestly, is incorporating those policies into smashing our country, and the people are falling for it. So more and more people are waking up though, around the world. So to answer your question, will it happen? It depends on the people, liberty begins with you.
Hrvoje Moric:
You mentioned Prince Charles, and I believe it was just this weekend he brazenly gave quite a startling speech where he called for a global military-style operation that would cost trillions of dollars to carry out basically what you described. So they’re openly telling us to our faces, and that’s frightening. You mentioned China as well, which was the last theme I wanted to touch on. We recently had this new security pack between Australia, UK, and the US form AUKUS, or however you want to pronounce it. This is a sign that tensions are escalating between the West and Beijing. And Australia, you guys are stuck between the US and China. I’ve read analysis of the formation of this pact is one step towards war and even nuclear war. They’re talking about nuclear submarines. And then, Australia would become a jumping-off point for an offensive on China. As well as it would become a prime target for China. So what can you tell us about the current East-West tensions as well as Australia’s role in this new cold war with China?
Malcolm Roberts:
Well, you opened up with a comment about Ron Paul. Ron Paul, he’s self-taught. He’s a doctor, but he’s self-taught on economics and very, very capable on economics and finance matters. He’s gone right into the financial system in the United States and globally. He wrote a book called End the FED, and I thoroughly recommend it, people. It’s a book I like. Like me, it’s short, it’s simple, and it’s easy to read, but it’s packed with information, and very well written. He said that since 1913 and the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank, the privately-owned Federal Reserve bank, it neither has reserves, nor is it federal. It’s not a government entity at all, it is privately owned, privately controlled. We know that many more Americans are waking up to that fact.
Malcolm Roberts:
But he said that since 1913 and the formation of the Federal Reserve Bank, every major war, every major recession is directly attributable to the Federal Reserve Bank and its policies. Australia blindly follows the United States into war. When we had 9/11… And I won’t discuss that in any detail because it’s not something that I’ve researched deeply. I do have two questions about 9/11 though. How did Building 7 collapse? It was raised to the ground, and yet it’s never been discussed. No one’s asked that question. And why hasn’t there been a formal investigation into 9/11? George Bush didn’t have a formal investigation. His successor from the opposition didn’t have any formal investigation. We don’t know what happened. So there are two serious questions haven’t been answered.
Malcolm Roberts:
I raise 9/11 because our prime minister, John Howard at the time, was in America when it happened. When he came back, this is not me telling you this, these are the words of Alexander Downer, who was the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time, the Foreign Secretary, if you like, when he retired a few years later, Hrvoje, he said that John Howard came back from America, marched into cabinet, and said, “We’re off to Iraq.” Just like that. That bypasses the checks and balances that are in place before we commit our men and young men and women to foreign a military action.
Malcolm Roberts:
If you remember the previous Gulf War, we had weapons of mass destruction. We had Colin Powell come out, I believe he was lied to, he came out later and said, “We haven’t got the evidence.” We had the president of America come out and say, “We don’t have the evidence.” We had the prime minister of Australia who told us, John Howard, that we went into that war in the Gulf War because of weapons of mass destruction admit that there were no weapons of mass destruction. We had people all over the military complexes and the governments of many Western countries, including Britain, said, “No, there are no weapons of mass destruction.” But they all relied upon that to start with.
Malcolm Roberts:
The reason I’m saying this, Hrvoje, is I question whether there really is any grounds for war. I question whose narrative we believe. Carbon dioxide, you are exhaling it right now. Everyone watching this is exhaling it. We inhale it in a concentration in the air of 0.04%, around four-one hundreds of 1%. It’s a trace gas because it is scientifically classified a trace gas. We exhale it at 100 times that level, 4%. So by definition of these lunatic running the show, you are a pollutant. You’re a polluter. I’m a polluter. This is complete crap. Carbon dioxide is essential for all life on this planet, but they’re telling us that is now a pollutant. It is not toxic. It is invisible. It is colourless. It is odourless. It’s not radioactive. It doesn’t give off light. It doesn’t give off any noise. It doesn’t pollute us. It doesn’t destroy the soil. It enhances the soil. It’s essential for a life on this planet. But they’re telling us it’s a pollutant.
Malcolm Roberts:
Now they’re telling us that this virus is a pandemic when clearly it’s not. And they’re using things to put in place controls. It’s the same with many of the things we’re being told, they’re blatant lies. They’re meant to coerce us, suppress us, and keep us under control and not question. Well, with people like me and with people like you and with an increasing number around the world, we’re saying, “Hang on, this doesn’t make sense.” It stimulates questions. And what I say to people is we have to remember, who controls the vote? We vote. We control who becomes government. Use your vote wisely. If you’re not happy with the candidates, become one. Stand up, talk to your families, talk to your workmates, talk to your social friends, talk to your relatives, get them to open their eyes, because as you’ve got on the poster behind you, liberty begins with you.
Hrvoje Moric:
I would just add if people can see… Where is it?
Malcolm Roberts:
Your head’s not that big. Now other side, other side.
Hrvoje Moric:
My thought on 9/11 right here. But yeah-
Malcolm Roberts:
It’s been [inaudible 00:38:37] out by reflection, I can’t see it.
Hrvoje Moric:
Okay. So, as you just mentioned, I get this question all the time. I said previously, but are you optimistic? I wonder why are there not more Ron Pauls, more Senator Malcolm Roberts in the world. There’s so few, and it seems like there’s actually a majority of us that agree with you. And many of the other politicians are for, whatever reason, towing the official government line. And so, why are there so few of you and are you optimistic? Are we going to stop this thing?
Malcolm Roberts:
We will stop it. It’s a matter of time, the time scale we talk about. If we look at nature, if we look at the universe, it’s inherently free. That doesn’t mean that you or I, or anyone can predict what will happen in the future, but it’s inherently free, and it’s moving towards increasing freedom. If you look at human society and human history, we’re increasingly going towards freedom. We have backwards steps at times that take us back into control. But ultimately, what emerges is freedom, and usually increased freedom. We’re in a pathway to higher freedom. So despite the setbacks, ultimately, this will all pass. Because we know that from history.
Malcolm Roberts:
President Harry Truman said, “The only thing new in the world is the history you haven’t read.” It’s all happened before, these attempts to control us. Now, in the past Hrvoje, and this is the really tricky point, in the past, if I held a gun to your head, everyone could see that Malcolm Roberts was controlling Hrvoje. Nowadays, we don’t do it that way. The control freaks use intimidation, coercive to shut down free speech. They call you, for example, a climate denier or they say you don’t respect nature, or you don’t respect the environment. You go against caring for the environment. We know of so many scientists who have been suppressed into silence because of that intimidation.
Malcolm Roberts:
We also know they use other things like, for example, they’ll call you a racist and that’ll silence you. They’ll call you a misogynist or a misandrist. They’ll call you a Nazi. They’ll give you labels. I love it when they come at me with labels, because I then turn around and say, “Well, thanks for your label, because it shows that you don’t have the data and the argument to mount a case against my argument. So I win. If you had the data and the argument, you would come at me with the data and the argument. But you don’t. Instead, you come at me with labels, neo-Nazi, racist, xenophobe, misandrist, misogynist, far-right extremist, far-left extremist, call me whatever you want. It just reinforces that you don’t have the data.”
Malcolm Roberts:
So that’s the way they try to control, and they try and suppress discerning voices by calling us climate deniers. Not evidence, climate deniers. What you see then is a very subtle coercion throughout our society that suppresses dissent, suppresses disagreement with the government. We also see the indoctrination of our school children starting from a very early age, starting from five years of age, talking to them about changing their gender. The whole agenda of the United Nations, and make no mistake, they’re the policies that are being implemented in our country often bypassing parliament, going through the bureaucracy, their policies are based upon destroying the two fundamental structures of human society. One is the nation state. That is the best form of structuring in human society on a global basis. Independent sovereign states that are not necessarily united, but they’re united within their borders.
Malcolm Roberts:
But then the second form of basic human organisation is the family structure. It is the most important of all. And they’re deliberately destroying the family structure by destroying the family itself. They’re saying to people, “Same sex marriage.” They’re saying to people, “You can change your gender anytime.” They’re doing so many things to corrupt the minds of our kids. The kids then don’t have an anchor to go to. They destroy the family so that they don’t have the family to go to for support. When people don’t have a family structure, they turn automatically to the government. That makes them dependent on the government.
Malcolm Roberts:
What they’re also doing is telling us that humans are evil, humans are greedy, humans are irresponsible, humans are uncaring. That is completely wrong. It is completely against the truth. We know that we’ve had humans throughout history who have tried to control us. We’ve had humans who have been bullies and brutal, but we know the vast majority of humans are wonderful, caring people. We’re the only species on this planet who when we realise we are destroying an area will actually stop ourselves and change it and protect that area and care for that area. We’re the only species that has got a neocortex and a caring nature from our heart that enables us to be both intelligent and used data and used logic, and at same time apply that in a very caring way. The only species.
Malcolm Roberts:
We are the most advanced species on this planet, and we should be respecting ourselves while at the same time recognising that the human condition causes some people, many of whom are in the United Nations and many of whom are in parliament, to want to control others. That’s a fundamental weakness in the human being, that some people want to control.
Hrvoje Moric:
I would just add on the ad hominem attacks. I don’t think it’s working anymore, these labels of conspiracy theorists, climate denier, and anti-vaxxers today. It’s not working. A lot of people don’t buy it anymore. I’ve been called the same as well. I’ve been mentioned and had pieces in the press. Funny you mentioned that, because just this morning, I received a message from a journalist from a national newspaper to ask permission to use one of my podcast interview stills of an interview I did with a past guest. They’re preparing a hit piece on this person, and I notified them, but that’s because we’re becoming a threat. We’re telling the truth. We’re honestly looking to uncover what the truth is. And so just like yourself, I don’t care what I’m called anymore. Finally, I guess, my last question for you-
Malcolm Roberts:
Can I just interrupt there, please, Hrvoje. Always beneath control there is fear. If someone is wanting to control you, control me, lie about me, smear me, ridicule me, it tells me they’re trying to control people’s opinions of me. They’re afraid of me. Why are they afraid of me? I’m only about 165 centimetres, probably shrinking, I’m tiny, I only weigh… What is it? 65 kilogrammes. 65. Yeah. So there’s not much of me. Why are they trying to do this to me? Why are they trying to do it to you? Because they want to control us. They fear us. They fear the people. They fear the people. They impose censorship, which in another form of control. They impose restrictions, which is another form of control. Because they’re afraid of the people waking up. Again, liberty begins with you, and what they try to do is to suppress, and wherever there is suppression, that is a form of control. It is no less effective than me holding a gun to your head. But, we need to stand up and make people aware of this. So that’s why I want to thank you for what you’re doing, because you’re helping people to wake up.
Hrvoje Moric:
Yeah. I’ve had a gun held to my head, and that wasn’t fun. Is there any other issue you want to mention that’s front and centre on your mind these days, or any final thought to leave us with?
Malcolm Roberts:
I’ll just reinforce what I just said. I used to say the third biggest scam was the climate scam, to give a few control over others. It may be now the fourth biggest scam. The third biggest scam is the exaggerations and the derailment over COVID, and the control that that have been brought in. The second biggest scam is the banking scam, the Federal Reserve Bank, the printing of money, [inaudible 00:47:06] currency to control people. The biggest scam of all is the anti-human scam. The scam perpetrated by the club of Rome, the United Nations, World Wildlife Fund, Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Boris Johnson. Many of these people who use the term build back better, many of these people who want to reset the great reset, many of these people who want unelected socialist, global governance, they’re perpetrating the biggest scam of all, the anti-human scam.
Malcolm Roberts:
We are infecting, polluting, destroying the hearts and minds of future leaders because the governments led by these people are going into primary schools, secondary schools, universities filling them with basically bullshit, and anti-human bullshit, and saying that humans are uncaring, greedy, rapacious, irresponsible, worthless. We are not. I implore people to realise, when you step back and you look at the Hitlers and the Stalins and the Boris Johnsons and the Joe Bidens, and you look at the Scott Morrisons wanting to impose control, stand back and say, “We need to stand up to that.” But also stand back, look through that, and say, “The rest of us, many, many, many billions of us, are wonderful humans and just need the opportunity to be freed.
Malcolm Roberts:
I’ve got eight traits that I won’t go through now, but I’ve got eight traits that are essential for human progress; improving lifestyle, improving longevity of life, improving health, improving safety, improving material comfort, improving material welfare, improving standard of living. The most important is the first, freedom. And it goes back again to what’s over your left shoulder, liberty begins with you.
Hrvoje Moric:
All right, the website is malcolmrobertsqld.com.au. And people can find you on all of the big tech platforms for now. Is there any other website or project we should know about?
Malcolm Roberts:
No, no, that’s it. Yeah, that’s it.
Hrvoje Moric:
All right. Senator, keep up the good fight out there in Australia. We need more of you. Again, thank you for being on Geopolitics & Empire.
Malcolm Roberts:
Thank you very much, it’s been a pleasure. And Hrvoje, thank you for what you’re doing because the legacy media is censored and is controlling. This social media is actually antisocial media. The independent media, the truth media, which is what you are, you are the only salvation for spreading the word now. Thank you very much for what you do.
Hrvoje Moric:
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