Over 100 healthcare workers and supporters turned up at short notice to Underwood Park to show their opposition to mandatory vaccines. Within 2 weeks, many of these people will walk off the job because they refuse to be forcibly vaccinated under the threat of losing their livelihood. This was my speech at that meeting.
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As soon as Aged Care workers were told they would be forced to take a vaccine of lose their livelihood my office was flooded. I’ve received thousands more phone calls and emails than the package I am sending here. The Prime Minister needs to step up and stop all vaccine mandates.
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I wanted to hand deliver this to the Prime Minister but COVID restrictions have stopped that.
These are personal letters from Aged Care workers who do not want to take a vaccine but will quit their job if they are forced.
We’ve received thousands more from aged care workers and Australians across all industries.
I’ll send this to the PM today.
It’s apparent Scott Morrison isn’t listening to Australians who have hesitations about a vaccine that does not have a full approval, only provisional. It’s time he started listening.
You have a right to take a vaccine, you have a right to refuse one. PM, have some guts, stop the vaccine mandates.
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Transcript
[Marcus Paul] Good morning, mate.
[Malcolm Roberts] Good morning Marcus, how are you?
[Marcus Paul] All right, as a Queensland Senator, are you going to welcome the 2032 Olympic games to Brisbane, the Gold Coast and the Sunshine Coast with open arms?
[Malcolm Roberts] If they ever get here, mate, once the decision is made that’s it. Of course I welcome people here, but I abhor the decision from Annastacia Palaszczuk. It’s an absolutely terrible decision. We’ve got productive capacity, needed investment across our state, and across our country, and they’re gonna blow it on a festival? To get her votes? No this is rubbish, it’s nonsense.
[Marcus Paul] All right. So, but you concur with what the boss says, Pauline Hanson, that’s you know, we could do without spending the billions of dollars that it’ll cost to run the 2032 games in Brisbane. Well, I mean, they’ve been announced, they’re coming to Queensland, so I guess I dunno, we need to just make sure the government doesn’t blow out the cost, I guess, I dunno.
[Malcolm Roberts] Well, Marcus, how did Brisbane win anything? How did we win anything? No one else wanted these damn games. We’ve got, the Commonwealth games was a flop, because of the way the labour state government mismanaged it in this state. Again, they made Beattie in charge of it, Peter Beattie in charge of it, and he turned it into a disaster, a public relations disaster. It was a disaster for the Gold Coast, the way he mismanaged that. We’ve got, I was in Julia Creek, not long ago in the Northwest of our state. And they had recently had a hospital open there, a new hospital, but they can’t find any staff to run it. And you know, what that means is people who are in aged care there, have moved out of town. So they’ve lost their family as well. I mean, this state is being so terribly mismanaged. We have got a $130 billion loan, sorry, debt. That’s what our debt is. We’ve got a mismanaged economy. The state government is just running this state into the ground. It’s just telling lies, and it’s just running from one catastrophe to the next. The COVID mismanagement. We have, I was in North, I’m in North Queensland now. I’m calling from Bamaga. We went through Moreton Telegraph, or Moreton Telegraph station just a couple of days ago. They had, the people who are running that business, lost their business in Cairns, a major touring company, tourist company, because of mismanagement. They can’t put up with the state government. It’s just destroying our state.
[Marcus Paul] All right, just on vaccinations. I know that Scott Morrison hasn’t ruled out at all, the possibility of a so-called vaccine passport. We know in France, the president, Emmanuel Macron, has introduced the vaccine passport system. Without a jab, people can’t go to restaurants, or cafes, get on planes, or trains to travel. Look, obviously there’ll be, you know, different countries around the world, where we’ll basically ask people to prove that they’re vaccinated, before they get access to so-called privileges. Look, I don’t know. I know you’re dead set against them, but I have a sneaking suspicion mate, that this is what’s on the way, a vaccine passport system here in Australia, as well.
[Malcolm Roberts] It’s a vaccine prison. It’s not a vaccine passport, it’s a vaccine prison, because it locks people out of everyday activities, travel, services, and mixing with their fellow humans in their own communities. It’s a vaccine prison. Scott Morrison promised, that there would be no vaccine prison. And now he’s trying to push one in, through the aged care facilities. We’ve had thousands of people contact us, deluged, with really serious concerns. Some of my staff have been crying with them on the phone. These people love working in aged care. They love servicing the guests in aged care facilities. They’re going to be leaving them, abandoning them, because they don’t want their own health compromised. We’ve got, in America, as of the 7th of July, it’s increased since then enormously, there were 9,000 deaths due to vaccines, and that’s not even counting AstraZeneca, I don’t think they do that over there. And they’ve had a thousand miscarriages. They have had no testing on the female reproductive systems. And that is possible, because they use rats and to do it, if they did the test, but they haven’t done the test on these vaccines. it’s just disgraceful. This is the first time in human history, where a government has knowingly injected something that can kill you into healthy people. And it’s also the first time in human history, that a government has willfully ignored a proven cure, ivermectin, and let people rot and die, because of COVID when they can’t get Ivermectin even though it’s proven, safe, affordable, and effective.
[Marcus Paul] Well it’s obviously not on the government’s radar. You and I have talked about ivermectin, and all the other options that are elsewhere available before, but it’s quite clear, the medical fraternity in this country, don’t wanna use it, otherwise we would be using it. And you’ve got to ask the question, “Why?” I’m not quite sure. What I do now-
[Malcolm Roberts] No, no.
[Marcus Paul] Hang on, hang on. But what I do know is that we rolled the dice. We went with the wrong jockey, if you like, in AstraZeneca, and we’re paying the price for it now.
[Malcolm Roberts] There are many medical practitioners, and allied healthcare practitioners in this country, who strongly support ivermectin’s use.
[Marcus Paul] Yeah, but the government, my point being, the government’s not listening to them.
[Malcolm Roberts] Correct.
[Marcus Paul] And if they were listening to them, then as you say, ivermectin and others would be in the mix. The question is, why aren’t they? Maybe, you know, because Craig Kelly was on the nose. I don’t know. I know that those who have been pushing it, yourself, Craig Kelly and others. But I do have to wonder why, our medical experts at a federal and state level have shied away from it? They just don’t wanna know about it. Why is that Malcolm? You’re a Senator. You have the ability to ask these questions within the Senate. Why is it that they’re not using ivermectin, or other as you put it, so-called scientifically proven methods to control COVID?
[Malcolm Roberts] It’s very simple, in my opinion, Marcus. Both the Labour Party and the Liberal Party, National Party have run this country into the ground over the last 40 years. Even more, if you go back to the root cause in 1944.
[Marcus Paul] Yeah, but you’re not answering the question.
[Malcolm Roberts] No, no, I am answering your question. What they have done, is they have played second fiddle. They’d been the lackeys for multinational corporations. Multinational corporations in this country, do not have to pay company tax. That’s a fact. That means you and I, and everyone listening is paying their share, the multinational share. Now multinationals behind these vaccines, have got a monopoly, while ever there’s no proven safe, effective, affordable alternative. So the government is not, that’s my belief, that they’re suppressing ivermectin, because if they passed ivermectin, and approved it for use for COVID, there would be no need whatsoever, whatsoever for these vaccines. Plus in addition, we’d be able to open the country up. And because it is known to cure people with COVID, known to already do that. It’s been demonstrated in many countries overseas. It’s been demonstrated also as a prophylactic to prevent you getting COVID. So this is insane.
[Marcus Paul] All right, so basically what you’re saying, is the government don’t wanna know, or our politicians don’t wanna know about the alternative treatments, because there’s nothing in it for them. I mean, we hear stories of certain MPS, and I, this is where I get really annoyed. We hear stories, I don’t know about how true they are. So I’ve got to be a little careful here, but you do hear stories of certain government MPS having shares in a number of the manufacturers of the approved vaccines. Now that to me is a concern, now.
[Malcolm Roberts] That’s a big concern. I haven’t done that research Marcus, so I’m not gonna say too much about it. But if it’s true, that’s a very, very serious indecent thing.
[Marcus Paul] Well, there’s a lotta of rumours about it.
[Malcolm Roberts] Well that’s the thing you know, there so many rumours on the internet about these things. And what we’ve gotta face up to, is the fact that this government has botched the delivery of the vaccines. It’s botched, and same with Labour Party, The Labour Party and the Liberal Party have refused to deal with the fundamental question, which is, should we be vaccinating, not how do we vaccinate. What they’ve done, is they’ve skipped the should we be vaccinating, and looked at that and had a serious debate about the pros and cons, and gone straight to how do we vaccinate? That’s a con job. And so what we’ve got at the very minimum, is a serious abdication of accountability and responsibility yet again, from the federal government in this country. Plus, as you point out, maybe serious conflicts of interest.
[Marcus Paul] Malcolm, good to have you on mate. We’ll talk again soon, appreciate it.
[Malcolm Roberts] Okay, Marcus, little bit.
[Marcus Paul] All right, there he is, Queensland One Nation Senator, Malcolm Roberts. Wow, agree, disagree. Look, as I say, this programme is a broad church, and I allow all opinions. Even those that perhaps, you know, skirt the, well, the probability of almost being realistic. Look, I don’t know. You know Malcolm Roberts, a lot of people don’t like him, but he’s, you know, give him credit where it’s due. He researches, he looks into the issues. And you know, there are a lot of people who do support the use of other formulas or methods to deal with COVID. But it’s quite obvious that the medical fraternity here in Australia, and our politicians don’t agree with him. Otherwise, you know, we’d be using ivermectin, and all these other things that they talk about. But we’re not, we’re stuck with what we’ve got, and here we are, lock downs
I talked to Rowan Dean about the government’s ridiculous idea to change the law so that beer can be offered to get people to have the jab.
Transcript
Rowan Dean:
Promise that you can have a beer. If you have, they changed the law. They went to the TGA, which is the Therapeutic Goods Administration and said, “I’ll change the law. Now, if a pubs want to offer you a beer to get vaccinated, that’s all fine.” Someone who’s not terribly happy about this is one nation, Senator Malcolm Roberts. He joins us now from Brisbane, Malcolm, how are you, senator?
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
I’m well, thanks and apologies for the rush, Rowan.
Rowan Dean:
No problem. Listen, I’m pretty disturbed that the TGA who have blocked ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, and other things for the last 18 months, and they’re the sacred cow, or you can’t possibly upset the TGA, Scott Morrison turns around and says, “I’ll give them the flick. We’re not going to let people have beers for vaccines.” Tell us your thoughts on it.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Desperation is really a sign that the Australians are growing in vaccine hesitancy, injection hesitancy. That’s the core issue here. The second core issue and the underlying really deep issue is shoddy governance. I picked the right word there, shoddy governance. We’ve had 40 years of it and that’s what’s led to the COVID unmasking, the lack of manufacturing, lack of being able to make fundamental things like masks and ventilators. It’s just really raised that, but now what we’ve seen is no detailed plan, Rowan. And it’s really annoyed me, no detailed plan. People are dying, literally dying because of suicides, domestic violence, et cetera, because of the panic that’s going on. We’ve got no detailed plan yet. We’ve got capricious lockdowns.
We’ve got people being slammed, small businesses being gutted, or around this country at whims, we’ve got three people get tested positive in Brisbane. Last, just a few months ago in January, and we’re putting masks on all over Queensland. I mean Bamaga 2,700 kilometres away. This is what’s really wrong with this country. It’s a governance that drives to look good, not do good. And I’ve had a gut full of it. And so if so many people were inundated with people just complaining about governance from both the labour party, the liberal party it’s got to stop.
Rowan Dean:
Rita.
Rita Panahi:
Look, I take your point about the hysteria, the outdoor masking, all the lockdowns, but what’s wrong with incentivizing vaccinations so we can reopen the country by giving out free beers in the states that had a Washington was giving out a joint for a jab that had marijuana joints as an incentive.
Rowan Dean:
I suppose you could say a jug for a jab. At least it’s the literates anyway. Malcolm.
Rita Panahi:
Yeah. So what’s wrong. Whether it’s a beer, whether it’s a lottery ticket, what’s wrong with getting people incentivized because Australians are apathetic, got borders are closed. A lot of people are saying, “Why bother getting a vaccination when I’m not allowed to travel and as a fairly lethal virus in the community?”
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Well, the fact is exactly, as Rowan said, this is the first time in history where we have got governments in Western countries, injecting people with something that can kill them, healthy people with something that can kill them. We have got 9,000 deaths reported from the COVID vaccine in the United States. Up until July 7th, we’ve had 27,000 hospitalizations, 57,000 urgent care, 80,000 office visits. We’ve had 1000 miscarriages. We have done, no testing on this drug. The normal testing takes about five to seven years. There’ve been no testing. We get a, I’m told that what happens is the drug manufacturers in this case have given us the results of their overseas tests, which have not been thorough, not even been 18 months in duration. And they’ve bypassed everything here and allowed them to be on a trial, Greg Hunt himself and said, [crosstalk 00:03:41] this is the world’s largest, hang on Rita. This is the worlds largest clinical vaccination trial.
Rowan Dean:
Rita. Off you go, Rita.
Rita Panahi:
We’ve had in this country, something like one death for every 2 million vaccinations, that rate is not just minuscule, it’s lower than any other medicine that you could think of. So to say that we are [crosstalk 00:04:02] killing people by injecting healthy people is, well we have had testing. This drug has got approval. It’s, [crosstalk 00:04:10].
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
No testing on pregnant women, no testing on female reproducting.
Rowan Dean:
Okay. So we’ll just stop [crosstalk 00:04:16].
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
No testing on fe- and what we’ve also got is,
Rowan Dean:
Sorry, sorry, Malcolm.
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
Sorry, Rowan?
Rowan Dean:
Just rose jumped in there. Yeah. Clearly we can have a lengthy debate about the different vaccines and the different tests and all the rest, but James, your point.
James Morrow:
Oh, I was going to say, I mean, the people are, what is wrong with people making their own informed consent? We know you say there’s vaccine hesitancy, but they’ve had record numbers this past week of people going out and signing up to get the jab beer or no beer. If people want to make an informed consent off of their own decision and their own research about it and do their own risk calculation. What’s wrong with that?
Senator Malcolm Roberts:
That’s exactly the point. You’re right on there. James. We need to have informed consent and you don’t have informed consent when you haven’t got all the options on the table. Rowan introduced this segment with ivermectin as well as now, killing people with something that is injected into healthy people and some occasions Rita. We’ve also got a proven drug, safe drug, affordable drug. It’s now proven with COVID for over 12 months and the government will not let it into this country to be used for COVID. This is the first time we’ve prevented a known cure and a known prophylactic from being used on people who are sick and need treatment. This is a complete contradiction of what should be happening. We should, this is a real governance issue. It goes to informed consent and no compulsory mandated vaccinations, not at all informed consent is absolutely essential. And you can’t have informed consent when you’ve got bribes. When you’ve got threats or losing livelihoods jobs and lifestyle, you can’t have that in this country. This is a free country, not a totalitarian dictatorship.
Rowan Dean:
Senator Malcolm Roberts. Thanks so much for coming. Sorry guys, we’re going to leave it there. I’ve got lots more to get on within the show and I really do appreciate Malcolm Roberts giving us his time.
On this page:
- What letting the government enforce vaccines means
- Mandatory Vaccines, unconstitutional?
- Lockdowns
- Vaccine Safety
- Further details on the constitutionality of vaccines
- Confused about the Government rules on vaccines?
- Informed Consent
- Vaccine passports/prisons
- Where did COVID come from?
- Vaccine approval status
- The plan is coercion
- Ivermectin
What letting the government enforce vaccines means
There are far-reaching consequences of letting the government get away with their new enforcement of vaccines in aged care workers. We must fight against it.
Transcript: (click here)
When it comes to vaccines in our bodies, we must always have access to informed consent and freedom of choice. In August, 2020, Prime Minister, Scott Morrison said, “It’s not going to be compulsory to have the vaccine.” On Monday 28th of June, 2021, he went back on his word and stated that it will be mandatory for all aged care workers to have the vaccine.
No one can argue the vulnerability of those in aged care. No one can argue the vaccination is not yet proven and everyone who is having the vaccine is part of the world’s largest clinical vaccination trial, which is exactly how our health minister Greg Hunt describes it. My office put out a call on Facebook for any aged care workers to contact us if they have concerns around the vaccine. We were swamped with phone calls and hundreds of emails just within hours. In summary, there are many workers distraught, anxious and terrified of being forced to get the jab. These concerns are raised from fears about the known and unknown side effects, religious beliefs, pregnancy, allergies and having pre-existing conditions.
If that isn’t enough, those that haven’t had the vaccine are harassed and intimidated by colleagues. We had people sobbing over the phone. We know many are casuals within the aged care sector. When they cannot afford to be without work, their concerns around the vaccine are so profound, they know when the September deadline comes, they will have to leave their jobs. The aged care sector could be challenged by increased staff shortages and standards of care will slip.
Aged care residents are at risk of losing the stability of those long-term care relationships with staff. Our aged care workers have had their rightful freedom of choice around the vaccination stripped away from them by the Prime Minister. Aged care workers are losing their fundamental worker and human rights. Some unions are by default, supporting the mandatory vaccinations.
In the words of Sally McManus, Secretary of the ACTU, “Just get the job done and support the casualization workforce so that they are not out of pocket if they get side effects.” Nowhere in that, does she advocate for workers’ rights to not get the vaccine. And a statement of side effects is an admission there are problems with the vaccine. All Australians must be able to make their own informed choices on whether to have the vaccine and not be rammed into it.
Mandatory Vaccines – Unconstitutional?
Mandatory Vaccination is against the federal constitution. That means Scott Morrison can’t enforce them, but, State Governments can. It’s an unethical backdoor around the protections in the constitution, and Premiers look set to bow to Scott Morrisons demands on mandatory vaccination.
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During these COVID 19 times, the government messages are getting more and more confusing. It was only a few months ago that the prime minister, Mr. Scott Morrison, said that he would not make COVID-19 vaccinations mandatory. Yet, that is what he has recently said would be necessary for aged and healthcare workers and for those drivers working in the quarantine sector. If he gets away with this, it will be just the beginning, before spreading Australia wide across our industries and nation.
Can he do it? Well, the Australian constitution states in section 51, paragraph 23-A, that the Commonwealth government cannot impose mandatory medical treatment on a person. That would include vaccination. The states though can do it. If they pass legislation to that effect. Now Victoria and Western Australia have legislation in place that could force a person to be vaccinated. There’s nothing to prevent other states and territories from passing similar enabling legislation, to be in line with Victoria and Western Australia.
The result of that, is that if the prime minister can persuade the states and territories to follow his line, they can enable the Commonwealth demands. Is this ethical? Well, that’s another question, but absolutely not. It would be a backdoor way for the Commonwealth to sneak around the constitutional prohibition on enforcing vaccination. On this issue, the Commonwealth government is behaving like an authoritarian dictatorship. Acting in an unethical, unjustified and unprincipled way.
Forcing vaccinations represents an attack on bodily integrity and without a valid consent, they may well constitute an assault. People should be able to freely choose what will be injected into their bodies. These vaccines remain unproven and the long-term prognosis are unknown. On that basis the vaccines are unjustified.
We should be able to trust our prime minister when he makes promises. It’s clear that we can’t.
Lockdowns again? That’s so 2020
More than 18 months into COVID19 State Premiers are still using the same old trick, lockdowns. It shows they have got no idea how to manage COVID.
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The cities of Brisbane and Townsville have only just come out of yet another brutal lockdown and Sydney is in the middle of a three week lockdown. The only time a lockdown is justified is when the virus is so out of control, the government needs to buy time to reorganise and regroup resources and protect exhausted health workers. Using lockdowns 18 months later is a sure sign that our political leaders are yet to master living with COVID. It seems that their only trick is to grind the towns or states to a halt over a handful of cases, while they madly scramble for testing and tracing.
My message has been consistent, quarantine those unwell and waiting on tests and allow the rest of the state to get back to work. Other countries have found a way to balance both the health and the economic priorities. Yet, after 18 months in Australia, we are still unable to find that balance. The Premiers and the Prime Minister may say that we can’t have any further deaths from COVID as justification for these brutal lockdowns.
What they aren’t saying is that deaths from loneliness, social isolation, suicide, and unchecked medical conditions such as missed cancer diagnosis are okay. Apparently those deaths don’t matter because they aren’t COVID deaths. We’re at the mercy of our Premiers and their insatiable need to appear to be looking after the people. They want to look good, not do good. They tell us, “We’re keeping you safe from COVID,” while what they do is wreck our businesses, take away our jobs, devastate our livelihoods, isolate us, and let our loved ones die alone.
Internet searches for loneliness have increased, as have rates of self-harm, eating disorders, anxiety, and domestic violence. Meanwhile, the government tracks every shop, supermarket, stadium, pub, and government office we enter. After 18 months of collecting health data, learning from national and international experience and knowing the costly economic and mental health concerns, we would have hoped that Australia’s approach would have evolved past brutal capricious lockdowns.
It’s a shame on these power hungry politicians that it hasn’t.
Vaccine Safety
Since 2020 the number of concerned Australians “very unlikely” to get the vaccine has increased 10% and there’s good reason for this.
The government gave vaccine manufacturers immunity so vaccine makers will not be liable for adverse effects. If a company is not willing to stand behind its product as safe there can be no trust.
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Many Australians are hesitating about getting a Covid injection. Since 2020 the number of concerned Australians “very unlikely” to get the vaccine has increased 10% and there’s good reason for this. People are recognising that our safety, liberty and personal freedoms are at stake, and asking many questions about the safety of these injections. The government gave vaccine manufacturers immunity so vaccine makers will not be liable for adverse effects. If a company is not willing to stand behind its product as safe there can be no trust.
The federal health minister said this is the world’s largest clinical vaccination trial. The Chief Health Officer, head of the Health Department and head of the Therapeutic Goods Administration all refused to say the vaccines are 100% safe. We have no idea what these products will do to our body months or years from now. How will it affect pregnant women? The babies they’re carrying? Infertility?
We know the vaccine can make people unwell, that 60% experience tiredness, 50% experience headaches and 30% might have chills and there are more serious complications including vascular deterioration and death. No one knows the dosage. Nor the number of injections. Nor the frequency of injections. Will they be annual? Twice a year?
There’s been no public debate among health officials, scientists or in parliament. People with questions or contrary opinions get silenced and healthcare workers are being intimidated not to step out of line. COVID’s first victim was free discussion. The Morrison government is mandating vaccination for aged care workers yet many are afraid of the vaccine and afraid they will lose their jobs.
Yet despite all this, people having the vaccine can still get the virus AND still spread the virus. We all deserve to have access to the facts so we can make informed decisions. The simple legal fact is that a death associated with a government approved injection is different in legal status from a death due to an accidental infection.
Further details on the Constitutionality of Mandatory Vaccines
I oppose vaccines being made mandatory and so do many Australians. There are some incorrect claims being made about sections 109 and 51 of the Constitution, the Biosecurity Act and the Nuremberg code. Some people may not like the information I’m about to tell you, but I assure you it is accurate. I wish it wasn’t, but there is nothing to gain in misleading you and giving you false hope. Please watch this video or read the transcript in full on my website.
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I want to address some claims in relation to mandatory vaccines. I completely oppose mandatory vaccines, but there are some false claims about their legality. Some people may not like the information I’m about to tell you, but I assure you it is accurate. I wish it wasn’t, but there is nothing to gain in misleading you and giving you false hope. Can the Commonwealth Government make Covid vaccinations mandatory?
The Australian Constitution in Section 51(xxiiiA) does not provide an authority for mandatory medical treatment on a person. That would include vaccination. It does allow the Commonwealth to fund treatment but not to compel it. Because the power to mandate treatment was not given to the Commonwealth under the 51(xxiiiA) of the Constitution, the Commonwealth cannot mandate treatment under this provision. There are provisions in the Biosecurity Act 2015, made under the Commonwealth’s quarantine power, that in limited circumstances may authorise directions for individuals, but not groups of persons.
The States, on the other hand, can mandate treatment if they pass legislation to that effect. s.51(xxiiiA) of the Commonwealth constitution does not restrict them. At the moment, Victoria and Western Australia have explicit legislation in place that could force a person to be vaccinated. There is nothing to prevent the other States and Territories from passing similar enabling legislation to be in line with Victoria and Western Australia.
The result of that is that if the Prime Minister can persuade the States and Territories to follow his line, they can enable the Commonwealth demands. Is this morally right? Absolutely not. It would be a backdoor way for the Commonwealth to sneak around the Constitution on enforcing vaccination. Scott Morrison can’t do it because of the Constitution, so he’s getting the State Governments to do his dirty work.
Another issue that requires some explanation is the effect of s.109 of the Australian Constitution. This says that if there is a conflict between a valid Commonwealth Act and a valid State Act, the Commonwealth Act shall prevail to the extent of any inconsistency. Some people believe this makes mandatory vaccinations illegal even if the state does them. The Constitution however is a special document, not being a Commonwealth Act, and s 109 does not apply in the context of mandatory treatments.
If there was a Commonwealth Act saying vaccinations are not to be mandatory, and a State Act saying that vaccinations are mandatory, the State Act would be inconsistent with the Commonwealth Act and the State Act would fail under s109. However, there is no Commonwealth Act that says vaccinations cannot be mandatory so s109 does not apply. There may be a number of human rights protections against forced vaccination but these have not yet been fully tested under Australian law.
Some people have raised the Nuremburg Code, which is an international agreement that says that people should not be subject to experimental treatment unless they have consented to it. It is only enforceable in Australia if it is in legislation, which is not the case apart from the ACT, where s.10(2) of the Human Rights Act 2004 provides the right not to be subject to medical treatment or experimentation without free consent. The Nuremberg code is a principle that should be adhered to ethically, but it is not a guaranteed legal requirement generally in Australia.
Forced vaccinations represent an attack on bodily integrity, and without a valid consent may well constitute an assault. People should be able to freely choose what will be injected into their bodies. In Queensland, the Chief Health Officer has made several directions based on her emergency powers under the Public Health Act 2005, applicable in Queensland. These emergency-based powers are proposed to be extended out until 30 April 2022 and apply while there is a declared public health emergency.
The powers are very broad and recently included student nurses being excluded from a Restricted Vulnerable Facility if not fully vaccinated, having not had both planned injections. Currently this directive applies for a period up to 6.00pm on 16 July 2021. A Restricted Vulnerable Facility includes hospitals, a residential aged care facility, disability accommodation and correctional centres. These Directions are all supposed to be temporary.
If an employer tries to force an existing employee to be vaccinated this may well constitute an unreasonable direction and the employee may refuse unless the employer has a particular authority. If that employee is fired or is threatened with being fired if they do not comply with the request this may constitute unlawful dismissal and can be fought in court. The proximity of the employee to vulnerable people may be a factor the court would look at when considering if the request to vaccinate is reasonable.
The court would also consider the risks to the vulnerable people and the risk profile of the employee through being exposed. The greater the risk, the more likely the direction to vaccinate would be considered reasonable. If before being hired an applicant is told this is a condition of employment and the applicant does not wish to be vaccinated, the employer is legally able to hire someone else. The decision in these circumstances is really a legitimate choice by the applicant.
In summary, although it is unethical, unjustifiable and a shocking intrusion on people’s bodily integrity, the States have the technical legal power to mandate vaccines. The only solution is to tell them you oppose it, and if they don’t listen vote the wannabe tyrants out of power.
Confused about the government rules on vaccines?
The government has been relying on fear and panic for the vaccine. When the government does that, they’ll just jump from brain snap to brain snap without a plan.
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Did you know, after the AstraZeneca vaccine had already been approved in Australia, the Health Minister Greg Hunt said that the world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial in history? This government is just making it up as they go. In February the Government said AstraZeneca was perfectly safe and approved it. In April, they backtracked due to blood clots and said to avoid it if you are under 50. In June they backtracked further and said avoid it if you are under 60.
Then the Prime Minister announced that anyone under 40 can get AstraZeneca. The Queensland Chief Health Officer said that was wrong, and quote,
“We’ve seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from [blood clots]. I don’t want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID, probably wouldn’t die”.
If you’re losing track of the advice, I don’t blame you. Despite saying the vaccines are completely safe, the government has given indemnities to vaccine makers and doctors who administer AstraZeneca to people under 40. This means that if something goes wrong and you need to sue someone, the taxpayer will end up paying the bill. Why would the vaccine makers and doctors need protection from being sued if the vaccines are so safe?
And if they aren’t safe, it should be the vaccine makers who foot the bill for any damage they cause, not us, the taxpayers. The government has been relying on fear and panic for the vaccine. When the government does that, they’ll just jump from brain snap to brain snap without a plan. You, and all of Australia suffers from the government’s brain snaps, and they’ve been non-stop lately.
There is a better way, with data, with honesty, and respecting freedom of choice. That’s what Australians want. That’s what I support.
Informed Consent
Informed Consent is vital to any medical procedure. I’m being told that many people receiving a vaccination in Aged Care are deliberately not being told which vaccination is being administered. This is in addition to it being made mandatory for Aged Care workers or they will lose their job.
Wherever there is coercion (you will lose your job and livelihood if you do not take this vaccine) it is impossible to have informed consent.
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Every doctor, every allied health professional and every lawyer who works in the medico-legal field knows that for a consent to medical treatment to be valid, a necessary element is that the consent must be fully informed. If the patient has sufficient information about the proposed treatment that will provide the treating practitioner with a defence against a civil suit for assault.
However, if the practitioner is being sued for negligence, by way of breaching the duty of care owed to the patient, the consent from the patient must be by way of a fully informed consent. Sufficient information in the context of an assault action would be that the patient has been provided information in broad, general terms as to the nature of the proposed treatment and what it is intended to achieve. Informed consent in the context of an action in negligence requires a much higher standard of information provided for the patient.
This information should be detailed as to the nature of the treatment; what alternatives there are; what are the risks involved, in detail more than just statistics; what are the possible side effects and how they may be treated. I’m being told that many people receiving a vaccination are deliberately not being told which vaccination is being administered. I’m hearing that in some aged care facilities, the residents are not being told of alternatives that may be available such as Ivermectin, and deliberately kept in the dark about the actual treatment.
They are very frightened. Deadly side effects such as blood clotting and heart problems are being downplayed. Simple questions about long term effects of the vaccinations go unanswered because the answers remain unknown. How can a patient give a fully informed consent with all these unanswered questions? They can’t. The government has recently said they would indemnify doctors who administer the vaccine when something goes terribly wrong. This does not indicate the government has much confidence in the vaccine being administered and indicates they’re presuming something harmful will happen.
Vaccine Prisons
A vaccine passport is no different to a vaccine prison, saying you can’t go to the pub or join the rest of society unless you prove you are vaccinated.
That’s coercion. We must completely reject any form of vaccine passport in Australia.
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You might think the government has gone quiet about their proposed vaccine passport, but they’ve just renamed it to something that sounds a bit more innocent, a “vaccine certificate”. That’s the government’s proposal to say that you can’t travel, go between states, maybe even go to the pub unless you’ve been vaccinated, and you carry something to prove you have been. Whatever they call it, it’s still the same tool of a dictatorship.
It doesn’t belong in Australia. Really it is a vaccine prison. It means that unless you are vaccinated you will have your rights taken away from you: rights to travel interstate, rights eventually to interact with society and community. That’s coercion. Informed consent, which is absolutely essential to any medical procedure, is not possible where there’s coercion. To be clear I absolutely oppose any form of vaccination passport or vaccination certificate.
I support vaccines being available and for people to have choice. I have concerns about the long-term effects of the current batch of COVID vaccines because we simply don’t know the effects. I support anyone making an informed choice and giving their informed consent to choose to take a vaccine, yet there is no justifiable reason that the government should enforce vaccines or make vaccines mandatory – ever. A vaccine passport, a vaccine certificate, a vaccine prison is just another way to make a vaccine mandatory by coercion and the idea should be tossed in the bin forever.
Where did COVID come from?
Despite being dismissed as conspiracy theorists in the early days of COVID, many Australians still have concerns whether the pandemic came from the Wuhan Lab. As time has gone on, more and more evidence has emerged giving the supposed conspiracy theory credibility.
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Many everyday Australians are concerned not just about COVID-19 but where it came from. We recently heard that CSIRO and several Australian universities have engaged in at least 10 joint projects with the Chinese Wuhan Institute of Virology over the past decade. This is a laboratory that US intelligence has linked to the Chinese military and which is suspected of being at the centre of the COVID-19 outbreak. Concerningly, at Senate Estimates hearings CSIRO at first denied any links to Wuhan. Later, the truth came out.
What’s worse is that CSIRO is linked to a Chinese infectious diseases expert who is now head of the Bat Virus Infection and Immunity Project at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. There are links into Australian universities too, one being the University of Queensland, which has been partnering with the Wuhan Institute, experimenting on emerging diseases, environmental science and infectious disease epidemiology.
These experiments are called “Gain-of-Function” which is a euphemism for biological research aimed at increasing the infectiousness, danger and severity of pathogens and viruses. These deadly science-enhanced pathogens can and do escape into the community where they infect and kill people – it’s biological warfare. The risks posed by these dangerous experiments far outweigh any speculative benefits. Many Australians are asking why our government is not being proactive and protecting us from the release of lab-created viruses, and why the government does not have an end-to-end plan for managing the COVID-19 outbreak.
It’s time the Morrison Government cancelled funding and support for research and collaboration on projects and with nations that may weaponise a virus and harm everyday Australians. We all deserve to be safe.
Vaccine Approvals
The government has simply taken BigPharma’s word, accepting Pfizer and AstraZeneca’s data which by their own admission may be inaccurate.
It’s no wonder Australians don’t believe in mandatory vaccination when data on the long term effects of these vaccines is simply unavailable.
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The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), part of the Department of Health, has granted a provisional determination to the Pfizer Australia and the Astra Zeneca vaccines. The granting of a provisional determination means that the TGA has made a decision that Pfizer and Astra Zeneca are now eligible to apply for provisional registration for the vaccine in the Australian Register of Therapeutic Goods (ARTG).
This Provisional approval pathway is available to sponsors with preliminary clinical data. To put this simply, the TGA takes the drug companies’ word for the accuracy of the data, which will have come from limited foreign trials. There is no checking or peer review. none. In looking through Pfizer’s clinical data, our office team noticed this disclaimer: “Pfizer advise that substantial risks and uncertainties exist in connection with their data, including the possibility of unfavorable new data and the ability to produce comparable clinical results, including the rate of vaccine effectiveness and safety observed in the trials.”
With those words, Pfizer just said that they cannot guarantee once deployed the vaccine will be safe and will provide a level of protection claimed during the application process with the TGA. This is what happens when approvals are given on wafer thin clinical testing, so quickly that replication and peer review has NOT happened. The vaccine approval process takes between 5 and 10 years for a reason. This approval was 3 months.
The public are right to be concerned that the TGA has not tested these vaccines enough, and in fact, have not tested them at all.
The plan is coercion
Even at 80% vaccination the Government won’t rule out lockdowns. They don’t have a plan for managing COVID at all.
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The Australian people and our business community are fatigued with the limping and damaging mis-management of our response to COVID. The only real plan, post flattening the curve, has been to stoke the fires of exaggeration and hysteria to keep the population scared and compliant. This ensures many of us won’t notice that no one has any idea of what’s next and it facilitates people accepting illogical and inconsistent health orders.
After 18 months of widely different responses across the country the Prime Minister announced on Friday 2 July what he believes will be a plan to get back to normal. You might breathe a sigh of relief… yet that would be premature. There’s no real detail, that will take another month to assemble. The promise to use lockdowns only as an extreme measure seems to mean that lockdowns will be here to stay for the rest of the year. That gives business no confidence at all.
The real message in the plan is the use of coercive power to get the population vaccinated. Our freedom of movement, our freedom, is being directly tied to being vaccinated. The Prime Minister is ushering in a two-tier society – those vaccinated and those unvaccinated. Personal choice and health considerations around the unproven and experimental vaccine with known and unknown negative side-affects have become irrelevant.
The unvaccinated will be condemned and not allowed to live a normal life. Instead of this vaccine prison Australians need a plan that respects the rights of Australians and brings us all along without the intrusive and unconstitutional curtailing of personal freedoms. This one trick pony of a plan is all about coercive control – get the vaccine or lose your job, lose your business or stay at home.
We are being forced to choose between our freedoms – freedom over our bodies or freedom over our movement or freedom over which job we can have. That is no plan. That is a con, a disgraceful con. No wonder so many people have vaccine hesitancy.
Why isn’t Ivermectin available in Australia
All along, we’ve been told that the only escape out of the pandemic is completely new, expensive vaccines. But what if alternative and complementary treatments were available? Would it threaten BigPharma’s monopoly?
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When it comes to treating and preventing people getting Covid-19 we’ve been told that the only solution is a brand new vaccine. This is not true, there are alternative and complementary treatments for respiratory conditions, which COVID19 is. One of them is Ivermectin. It’s had over 3.7 billion doses administered over the last 60 years. In that time, it’s had a proven safety record. Over the past year Ivermectin has been successful where used against COVID in some Indian states, and in some South American, European and Asian countries.
There are over 40 medical and scientific papers which hail Ivermectin’s success. So why is it banned for this use with Covid in Australia? It raises serious questions about BigPharma’s monopoly and conflicts of interest. For example, Google’s parent company Alphabet owns YouTube. YouTube has banned any videos that even mention Ivermectin as a possible COVID treatment.
They even took down one of my videos, and I’m a Federal Senator. But here’s the kicker, Alphabet owns 12% of Vaccitech, who created the AstraZeneca vaccine. Aren’t these conflicts of interest? The federal government’s Therapeutic Goods Administration wrote me a threatening letter for publicly discussing Ivermectin.
The way I see it I’m a duly elected member of Australia’s national parliament doing my lawful duty, sharing accurate information with you. Silencing debate and data is a form of control. And always beneath control there is … fear.
Is dishonest BigPharma afraid of losing its hundreds of billions of dollars in profits? Is the government afraid to admit they’ve made a mistake? I have no financial or other ties with vaccine makers or Ivermectin or drug companies. My interest is in ensuring we protect people’s health & restore our nation’s economic health and security. That’s why alternative and complimentary treatments must be available.
On the best evidence we have, Ivermectin should be available. Without it, the government has blood on its hands.
After promising they would not make any vaccinations mandatory, the government is now imposing draconian, mandatory vaccinations on people in the Aged Care sector. If we allow the Government to force just one person to get the vaccine against their will then there’s nothing stopping them from forcing everyone to get it. Aged Care workers will just be the first. This is not what a democratic, free society looks like.
Transcript
[Marcus] Malcolm, good morning, to you.
[Malcolm] Good morning, Marcus, how are you?
[Marcus] Yeah good. Look, it’s a conversation that well, that needs to be had. I don’t know. You and I are gonna butt heads on this, this morning. If you work in the aged care sector, if you work with the most vulnerable people in our community, bearing in mind that unfortunately, once COVID hit a number of nursing home facilities in New South Wales and Victoria in particular, we had deaths. I think you should be vaccinated.
[Malcolm] Well, what we did was we threw it up on our Facebook page to people who work in the aged care sector, Marcus, and we’ve listened to them. We had to shut down work in our office because we were swamped with phone calls the day before yesterday, absolutely swamped. All our staff were answering the phone. And some of our staff were really, felt very upset because we had aged care workers, crying on the phone to them. One was literally sobbing for 15 minutes. Some of these people are females, they’re young females, they’re actually carrying babies. They don’t know what the hell is gonna happen to the impact on their kid. Some are women wanting to become mothers. Some are fathers. Wanting to become fathers. They don’t know whether it’s safe or not to have a baby now. So, this is really traumatic for these people. And what really comes through is that this could backfire on the aged care sector, on people in aged care, because some of these people are now saying, “If I have to get this vaccine, I am not gonna stay. I’m not getting that injection, I’m getting out.” And they’re really upset at having to leave the people they’ve been caring for. We now have nurses in Victoria, I was contacted by one yesterday, that they’re organising themselves because they know that individually they can be threatened with losing their job and together, though, they can say to the hospital or the aged care facility, “If you sack us all, you got no one.” So I mean, these people are really upset. They’re very, very emotionally upset because the core issue is about informed consent and having a choice whether or not you get a vaccine.
[Marcus] All right, look, I understand those areas of concern. I really do, particularly, you know, with the situation around whether or not you take the vaccine, it could affect it having a child. Isn’t that something that these people should be talking to their doctor about rather than politicians?
[Malcolm] You’re absolutely correct, they should be. But you know, have a look at the government’s record and both state and federal governments. What we’ve got up here in Queensland is a blame game. It’s an absolute disgrace what’s going on with between the Premier and Prime Minister.
[Marcus] It’s starting down here too.
[Malcolm] It’s just disgusting, but have a listen to this timeline. February 2021, just four months ago, the federal government’s Therapeutic Goods Administration finds AstraZeneca to be quote “perfectly safe.” March 2021, I asked questions to Senate estimates, Can you guarantee the safety? “No, we can’t.” Oh really? April 2021, if you’re under 50, you’re told that AstraZeneca is just too risky because of blood clotting and should be avoided. Everyone hears this. Early June 2021, oops, make that under 60. Mid-June, two weeks later, the federal government says AstraZeneca will be phased out by October. June 28th, two weeks later, Scott Morrison announces that under 40s can have AstraZeneca whenever they want it. And he will indemnify, the taxpayers will indemnify doctors who give that advice. And then we have June 30th, two days later, Queensland Premier says that based on her health advice, under 40s should not get AstraZeneca vaccines. What the hell is going on? People are totally confused. I’ll tell you what people are scared of. They’re now scared of the government’s vaccination. That’s what they’re scared of because they don’t know- the government doesn’t know what’s going on.
[Marcus] All right, look, I gotta an email here that you’ve sent to me. “Since these vaccinations have been rolling out I can’t believe what I’ve seen with my own eyes. From nurses in their 20s going into cardiac arrest instantly. Both had no pre-existing conditions. To people with heart inflammation, blood clotting is through the roof, along with chest pains and people having lost feeling permanently in either their arms or their legs. I’ve seen MRI scans of people’s brains after having had this vaccination and I am absolutely terrified.” We, and this is the really concerning bit here in this email from Queensland that you’ve sent to me. “We have had three doctors, specialists, die in just our hospital alone from this vaccination. One died after his first dose. And two died just last week after the second dose.” This doesn’t make the news though, does it?
[Malcolm] It was sent to us from Victoria, but what happened the first day when we threw it open on Facebook. Because the core issue, as I keep saying, is about freedom of choice and informed consent and they’re not getting mandated. So, we threw it open and got phone calls and then we were swamped so we had to shut it down. And then the next day we just said, “Okay, send us your email.” So, we got that email from Victoria. We can’t verify that straight away, but we got phone calls. One was from a senior position in the headquarters of an aged care group. She is pregnant and she’s very concerned, very uncomfortable telling aged care workers to get on board with getting the vaccine when she’s dead set against it herself. So, we’re putting people in compromising positions. We’ve also had calls sobbing, one was calling for 15 minutes, sobbing the whole time, deeply saddened for the residents being intimidated into getting the vaccine. This is not Australia when you’re forcing old people to get a vaccine, intimidating them to do that. And these aged care, I mean the aged care workers, Marcus. I met with them in Canberra a few weeks ago and then had lunch with them as well. A whole group of them, from all over the country. These people are really decent people.
[Marcus] Of course they are.
[Malcolm] They’re paid very little, but they’re so concerned. They do their job because they love their aged care residents they’re looking after. It’s a fabulous, fabulous sector for people who really care. But, they’re crushing spirit of these workers. These workers don’t wanna get vaccinated, some of them.
[Marcus] When you say some of them, okay, that’s the crux. Is it the majority or the minority? I think that’s what it comes down to. I mean, look, I hate to say it like this. You know, I don’t wanna pay an increase to the tolls that I’m facing today in Sydney. I’ve gotta pay it though. It’s the law.
[Malcolm] You don’t have to go on a toll road though. You can use another road. And see, what’s happening here
[Marcus] Well, no, not always.
[Malcolm] is that these vaccines-
[Marcus] Not always.
[Malcolm] These vaccines are not proven. They’re not proven safe. It won’t stop, as George called in a minute ago, it won’t stop you getting the virus. It won’t to stop you transmitting the virus.
[Marcus] Yeah.
[Malcolm] Dosage is not even known. They don’t know how long it’s gonna have an effect. They’re not sure how many jabs you’re gonna have to have to get it solidified. They’re not sure if you’ll be doing it every year. Will it be every year, every six months, rest of my life? What will it be? There’s no understanding. The government is just going from one statement to the next. What will happen with the various mutations that are coming out? Will it still be effective? Will I have to have another one for a different mutation? There’s so many questions and they don’t know the impact.
[Marcus] Well, Greg Hunt, the federal health minister, did say, and look, we have the quote here. “The world is engaged in the largest clinical vaccination trial.”
[Malcolm] Correct. And Marcus, these people are not lab rats. I’m not a lab rat. If you wanna be lab rat, that’s your choice, but we should not be forcing this stuff on people because you have to have informed consent. People in this country are free and should be free and should stay free.
[Marcus] All right, and even if they work with the most vulnerable who could die from COVID?
[Malcolm] Well, as George correctly said, and as the chief medical officer in the country, when I asked him in senate estimates, they confirmed that even if you’ve had the vaccine, you can still pass on the virus. You can still transmit the virus. So, it’s still not effective.
[Marcus] But it’s a preventative measure, surely.
[Malcolm] Well, that can be argued, but it’s not certain yet that works because you can still transmit the virus. That’s what’s annoying about people about this-
[Marcus] Are you calling me annoying?
[Malcolm] No, no, no, no, no. ‘Cause I’m saying that’s what’s annoying people. Have a listen to this. I posted something on Facebook, people are all over it, and someone was holding up a placard at a protest. This is what the placard said. “At this point, I would feel safer if Coronavirus held a press conference telling us how it’s going to save us from the government.” How can we trust the Prime Minister? How can we trust premiers when they blaming each other? How can we trust the Prime Minister who broke his promise just a few months ago to not have compulsory, mandated vaccination and now doing it, but he’s doing it through the back door, through the states, because section 51, paragraph 23A says that you can’t do it at the Commonwealth level. So, they have to go through the states. You can do it legally in two states, Victoria and Western Australia, but you can’t do it ethically. You can’t force Australians to do this.
[Marcus] All right, mate, look, a lot of people will agree with you. Many also won’t, that’s why we’re having this debate. Good to have you on, Malcolm. Take care. We’ll chat soon, mate.
[Malcolm] Okay, mate, thanks, Marcus.
[Marcus] All right, there is One Nation’s Malcolm Roberts. What do you make of it? Do you agree? Disagree? Give me a call, 13 12 69. Are we undergoing the, as he puts it, the greatest experiment of all time?
Senator Roberts asks what keeping Australians safe means, when on the eve of more restrictions in south-east Queensland and Australia and a renewed call to get vaccinated, a large scale clinical research study shows the COVID vaccines can harm and kill people too.
The study of approximately 1 million vaccinated Israeli citizens, published on 24 June 2021 by European researchers, has revealed that the three leading COVID-19 vaccines can all kill.
Senator Roberts said, “This new study shows that if you are unvaccinated your chances of dying from COVID-19 is around 3 in 100,000.
“If you receive a COVID-19 vaccine, then the vaccine itself has a mortality rate of around 2 in 100,000.
“Our governments cannot say they are keeping us safe when mortality rates can be so similar,” he said.
The researchers also identified that around 16 in every 100,000 suffer from serious side effects from a COVID-19 vaccination and they suggest the data must be analysed to better identify and protect those at risk of serious side effects.
Senator Roberts added, “Australia needs a proper plan based on solid data and safe proven alternatives.
“How can we have confidence in a Government that tells us to have a vaccine that can bring about similar mortality rates as the illness itself?
“On top of that, what is the point of being vaccinated when you will still be locked in and forced to wear masks,” he added.
After failing to get some of the answers we were seeking on vaccines, I went back to the Department of Health and Dr Murphy to ask some more questions about informed consent and vaccination by coercion with a vaccine passport. I think you’ll find their answers in this part 2 just as interesting as part 1.
Part 1: https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/vaccine-passports-and-compensation/
Transcript
[Malcolm Roberts] And one that I touched on briefly, the intergenerational effects of the vaccine are unknown, the effect of the vaccine on transmission is unknown, GPs are not even allowed to say which vaccine they have available. Well Australians have a right to know the foundation of informed consent is accurate and full information. How is it possible to achieve real informed consent in this information vacuum?
So, I think the GPs are certainly able to say which vaccines they have available and they provide informed consent-
[Malcolm Roberts] Just to interrupt there, We had a presentation, I attended a presentation by you and Professor Kelly saying that the vaccine injection rooms would not be disclosing which vaccine was given at that time. Where people go to get their injection.
They’re not given a choice. They’re not given a choice
I think you’re talking two different things, Senator, so, clearly, at this stage of the rollout, the GPs are distributing AstraZeneca. The issue would’ve been the choice and perhaps there might’ve been some other issues that…
[Malcolm Roberts] It was certain, nonetheless, Minister, with so many effects unknown, how can there be an informed consent?
Well, Senator, I’m not going to try and give you health advice, and so I’ll prefer to-
Professor Kelly might be able to address that, but just to be very clear that people undergoing the informed consent process are very clear about which vaccine they’re getting, we’re not disguising the vaccine. So Professor Kelly can can go through the informed consent process.
Yeah, so, informed consent is a very important component of any medical medical procedure or treatment. And doctors do that with their patients every day, every time they see them pretty much is talking through the pros and cons of various, in this case, vaccines. As the Secretary has said, it’s pretty clear if you turn up to a GP at the moment with a couple of exceptions, but almost all GPs are only using one vaccine and it’s only for those over the age of 50 if it’s AstraZeneca. And there is some benefits of that in the particular circumstances of the person in front of them would be discussed in great detail. We’ve provided a lot of information, very detailed information based on the ATAGI advice in relation to that risk and benefit equation for GPs and other medical practitioners and nurses to use.
[Malcolm Roberts] Okay, thank you. My first question goes to the, question of mandatory vaccination. Is the government considering mandatory vaccination?
Government’s repeatedly said it is not considering mandatory vaccination for COVID vaccines or any other vaccines.
[Malcolm Roberts] So is the vaccine passport still under consideration?
The only situation that, as we referred to early today, where people might be on a public health, state and territory, for example, may say that they would refuse entry to a residential aged care facility, that’s the position that AHPPC is considering. That is not mandating vaccination, it’s basically saying that in certain situations it may be not possible to participate in a certain activity unless you’ve been vaccinated. But there has not been a position that we’ve taken so far, AHPPC is reconsidering it.
Can I just add Senator? So, obviously the issue of medical advice is the extent to which and whether and when you might want to limit access to aged care facilities, which the Secretary’s talking about, the broader issue of whether there’s a vaccine passport to identify you’ve had a vaccine and what impact that might have, internationally or otherwise, is a matter for the Department of Home Affairs. You should refer it to them.
But we are providing citizens with evidence of vaccination, they can get a vaccination certificate and they can use that in whatever way they choose.
[Malcolm Roberts] So that’s essentially a vaccine passport then isn’t it? Ms. Edwards?
It’d be a certificate. I mean, at the moment, it’s a long… The Australian Immunisation Register has been around for quite a long time, it got expanded a few years ago to cover all vaccinations and it will have the evidence of your vaccination of COVID-19 vaccine in it. And you have access to it in a printed form or electronically. That’ll evidence you’ve had the vaccine. There is no activity, at the moment, of that you’re either permitted or prevented from doing by virtue of vaccine status but as obviously medical information for you.
[Malcolm Roberts] So that vaccine register should be confidential, shouldn’t it?
It is.
It is, but any citizen can print their own certificate and they can use it as they choose fit.
And we use it for aggregated data. So a lot of the data we’re getting about how many people have been vaccinated not just for COVID-19 vaccine, but for the range of vaccines that we know is drawn out of the Australian Immunisation Register in a de-identified aggravated form.
[Malcolm Roberts] So a vaccine passport, though, could be established for restricting movement of people or entry of people to a specific venue?
Well, it’s a hypothetical question, not one within the remit of the health department. All that we’re talking about is having evidence that you’ve had the vaccine, which is really important, apart from anything else, so that people know what your risk is if you come into contact with COVID-19. And also, it’s used in vaccination clinics to check that it’s your second dose. So if you turn up for your second dose they’ll check the register to check that, yes, Senator Roberts has had one dose of AstraZeneca and here’s the time for the second one. So used for those safety reasons for an individual and it’s evidence of the medical treatment that you’ve had. But any further use of it, one’s not in contemplation that I’m aware of, we’re certainly not involved in that. And the questions about how it might be used internationally, or so on, is a matter for Home Affairs.
[Malcolm Roberts] So Home Affairs, where would they get their advice from? It would be from you, wouldn’t it?
They seek health advice from us,
[Malcolm Roberts] Yes.
and also advice about how the Immunisation Register works and so on, together with Services Australia, and they would be engaging with other agencies as well.
[Malcolm Roberts] So as I see it, threatening Australians with the loss of privileges of free movement, or a job, or even a livelihood without a vaccine passport, that’s really a digital prison.
I’m not aware of any proposal to do any of those things, Senator.
[Malcolm Roberts] You’re not aware of any? So is the government enforcing vaccination through coercion, if that would occur?
[Secretary] Well, Senator, that’s a hypothetical and it’s an opinion, Senator, and I don’t think it’s appropriate to ask the officials that question.
[Malcolm Roberts] So, going back to the vaccine, people expect the vaccine to do more than prevent deaths, more than not cause deaths, people expect the vaccine to bring back life as we know it, the removal of all restrictions and the resumption of international travel. Clearly, while acknowledging the many unknowns that you commendably and openly acknowledged this morning, what percentage of vaccination unlocks the gate and removes the restrictions, and when?
I think Professor Kelly can address the fact that that’s still an unknown parameter and our knowledge is evolving, but Professor Kelly has been asked this question on many occasions.
And I’ve since answered it. Thank you, Secretary, just on the-
[Secretary] They’re still asking it.
Yeah, I will get to your question just on the proof of vaccination. On my phone through my Medicare app, I have proof of my vaccination, it arrived within 24 hours of that vaccination happening, and it’s just shows that this is already happening. Anyone who’s had a vaccination will be able to access that, and if it’s needed to be shown it’s there.
[Malcolm Roberts] We’re not worried about that. My constituents are very worried about it becoming a condition of entry to a venue or to travel or something like that.
Well, as the associate Secretary has mentioned that it’s a matter for other parts of government to consider but we will provide medical advice about how that information can be verified in terms of a vaccine that we trust and know that works. So, to your question about where’s the target, this has come up on multiple occasions, I guess my answer is that these are non-binary states. So every single extra person that’s vaccinated in Australia is part of our path to the post-COVID future you’re describing. There’s no magical figure that says when we get to that, we’ve reached herd immunity and everything will be fine, rather it’s a process of getting towards that. We do need quite high coverage, though, to be able to get to the situation where, for most of the time, a seeding event, such as what we’re experiencing in Victoria, right now, will not lead to a large outbreak. So, that is, modelling that is being done at the moment by colleagues at the Doherty in Melbourne, and others. It’s part of the work that AHPPC has been asked to do to provide information into Mr Gaetgans’ committee, which is in turn providing information and advice to the national cabinet.
[Malcolm Roberts] Thank you. Where’s the government’s plan for managing the COVID virus because, the six components we discussed, the three of us discussed at the last Senate estimates, isolation lockdown, testing, tracing quarantining, restrictions, treatments, such as cures and prophylactics, and the fifth was vaccines. And then I think Professor Kelly added personal behaviours as number six. Perhaps we could add a seventh, and that is prevention through health and fitness because we’re seeing now that obesity and comorbidities are a big predictor of people dying from COVID. When will we see action in number four, which is treatments, cures and prophylactics, and health and fitness?
I can perhaps address treatments. The Scientific and Technical Advisory Committee, which is the committee that looks at the vaccines also as a watching brief on all treatments and has considered whether there are any treatments that we are recommending government to purchase. There’s also the TGA obviously also is reviewing treatments as they appear at this stage. And we also have an evidence taskforce that looks at the real-time evidence of treatments. At this stage there really is very limited options for treatment other than vaccines, but Professor Skerritt can perhaps give you more information.
Thank you Secretary. So, at the moment in Australia, the Clinical Evidence Taskforce endorses three TGA-approved treatments. The first is, and may depend on how sick you are, whether you need oxygen and so forth. So if you’re in hospital requiring oxygen, corticosteroids are recommended for use with COVID patients. And I would venture to say that, globally, they’ve probably been the most successful intervention. A drug called Remdesivir is approved for moderate to severely ill patients who don’t require oxygen or ventilation. And more recently, there’s a drug that was originally an arthritis drug, known as Tocilizumab, T-O-C-I-L-I-Z-U-M-A-B, I don’t get to name them.
[Malcolm Roberts] You barely get to pronounce them.
No, no, no, no. But it’s tricky, If they have unpronounceable names, everyone uses a trade name. That’s the trick. But Tocilizumab is for people who do require oxygen. Now, what we don’t have yet, and I think I may have said this at last estimates is a antiviral drug that’s up there as effective as the recent antiviral drugs for Hepatitis-C or for HIV. But trust me, there’s a major effort of companies working on that area. The other thing that has been coming through the system, and seem to be getting better, are these antibody-based treatments. And we’re currently looking at a drug, or an antibody, called Sotrovimab. It’s S-O-T-R-O-V-I-M-A-B and it has some very promising early results, and we’re currently assessing that. But we have always said that antivirals and other treatments will be important for a range of reasons. One of which is that even with the greatest adherence to, say, the three week gap for Pfizer vaccination, or the 12 week gap for AstraZeneca vaccination, neither treatment is 100% effective against catching or transmitting the virus. They seem to be very effective against death or hospitalisation, but we do know that treatments will play an important part in getting on top of this virus.
[Malcolm Roberts] Okay, just building on that, you didn’t address item number seven, which I suggested, health and fitness. But the focus on the vaccine is not addressing the end to end from prevention to resiliency to treatment. Don’t we need the full gamut? A comprehensive and complementary approach, what would that look like? And would it not include Ivermectin, assuming someone sponsors it and other treatments for those who want alternatives to vaccines? Because there are people who want alternative.
Well, very briefly on general health, the fact that people are going to many general practitioners and having the COVID vaccination is always an opportunity for the GP to have a quick discussion, “well, hey, smoking doesn’t actually help your respiratory chances with COVID.” There are some mixed messages out there and some mixed results. For example, a lot of people with asthma were very worried early in the COVID pandemic, but some of the asthma drugs, there’s a drug called Budesonide an orally inhaled steroid, inhaled steroid, which is actually quite effective in the early stages of COVID. People with asthma, for example, in general, especially if they’re on those drugs don’t seem to have been affected. But it is true that if you have co-morbidities such as diabetes and so forth, your risks of COVID infection are greater. And that’s why in Phase 1b a number of people who, for example, had drug resistant hypertension or had diabetes and so on were prioritised early for vaccination. Going back to other therapies, we’re always interested in evidence-based submissions for any other therapy. The challenge is that some of the early papers that suggested, for example, with hydroxychloroquine there was a lot of promise, when the blinded trials were done objectively the early promise very sadly didn’t hold up.
[Malcolm Roberts] Okay. Thank you, Chair. I’ll leave it there.
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