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I joined Alex Jones of Infowars to talk about the same agenda that is being seen across Australia, the US, Britain, Canada, New Zealand—all nations of the British Commonwealth. Each of these countries is dominated by what I call the Uni-Party, the red and blue teams pushing the same agenda. Behind them are internationalists, unelected globalists,and corporate fronts controlled by a powerful few.

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Alex Jones: All right. I wanted to get this guy on for years. I know it’s the middle of the night. We really appreciate him joining us from Queensland, Australia. He is the main guy, the most prominent one of great people in Australia that are battling the Great Reset, the globalist takeover, and they are one of the main testing grounds, so is the UK, so are places like Italy and Germany and Canada, and everything you see done there is going to happen here. I know most of our audience cares about everybody in the world. Some people say, “Well, why are you covering Australia so much?” Hypothetically, if Martians blew up Paris, I’d be against it because obviously we’re next. I mean, we need to understand this. They’re fighting the same global corporate BlackRock, ESG social credit score programme that we are slowing down and stopping and he has been charging ahead. 

He’s an Australian leader. He’s a member of the One Nation party and has been a senator for Queensland since 2019. He also served in the Senate from 2016, 2017, and he’s been through a lot. He exposes the carbon tax fraud and the manmade climate change garbage. Find him on X, @MRobertsQLD, and we’ll put that on screen for you. You need to follow what he’s saying because whatever he’s talking about is about two years ahead of us on average. So, he joins us. He sent us a lot of topics, a lot of clips. He’s really prepared. We appreciate him getting up in the middle of the night or early morning to do this. We’re going to cover the waterfront here, and he sent us a lot of documents as well. 

So, Senator, it’s great to have you here, and we’re all together in solidarity against the same enemy. We share a lot of the same culture, so we’re in this together. I mean, I’ll jump in some and bring in some clips and topics, but to kind of give you the floor here to start where you think is most important. Thanks so much for being here. 

Malcolm Roberts: You’re welcome, Alex, and thank you so much for what you’re doing. You’ve been fighting a line battle until fairly recently, and now people recognise that your credibility is very, very high. So, thank you so much for what you’re doing. But essentially, what’s happening is your country, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, all descendants from the British Commonwealth, are all ruled by a red and a blue team, what I call the UniParty, and they’re all the same… They’re pushing the same basic policies. It’s driven by these internationalists, these globalists, these unelected parasites who are fronts for big corporations, who are fronts for a few people that own them and control them. 

Alex Jones: If they could convince us we’re bad and that we have no life force and that we have no survival instinct, then we’ll all roll over and be slaves and be sterilised and basically just phased out. I mean, that’s it. The decision’s been made by The Limits to Growth, the Club of Rome, the World Economic Forum to build a post-human future, and it’s a mad scientist project and we have to get people to face it. It sounds crazy, but now the WEF is very public about it. The New York Times has headlines looking forward to the end of humanity. I’ve been in the grocery store, I’ve seen magazines, “Humans are bad. Looking forward to the end of humans.” They want us to hate ourselves, so we get rid of that empathy and then accept their globalist, anti-human programme. It’s really, for me, simple. 

Malcolm Roberts: You’re absolutely correct. They want us to hate ourselves. They want us to hate each other. They want division. They want fear. During COVID, we saw the same things, fear and isolation and separation, making us feel as though we’re alone and individual and vulnerable, and nothing can be further from the truth. 

Video: It’s become clear that people in this country and globally have been steamrolled. It is also clear that it has been coordinated globally. It is also clear that it has been integrated not just over six months, not just over two and a half years, but it has been planned over decades. The changes to legislation in this country were done so that they could control doctors and people. But the people are waking, and it’s thanks to people like Dr. Altman and all the presenters here today, thanks to people like Senator Babet and Craig Kelly. We know and we knew that this is all bullshit and that we’ve been had. 

Malcolm Roberts: Both parties are pushing this agenda. They stole farmers’ property rights, which is fundamental, they’re destroying family, they’re controlling speech, they’re destroying religion, bad-mouthing Christianity, which gave us our Western Civilization, the fundamentals of our Western Civilization, our values, and they’re putting controls in place like this social media control that you’re talking about. They’re doing all the things that a communist party would do because they are communist in their approach. I mean, I’m very proud of my country, but I loved America. I mean, America, and I’ve got to put a caveat on that, has been decimated in the last 30 years thanks to- 

Alex Jones: I want to ask- 

Malcolm Roberts: … both the Obamas, the Clintons. I mean, you’ve been ruled by criminals. 

Where do you start, Alex? It’s pervasive. We’re in the middle of an indoctrination war, an information war, which is the title of your show. We’ve been saying that for years. But essentially, what’s happening is your country, Britain, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, all descendants from the British Commonwealth, are all ruled by a red and a blue team, what I call the UniParty, and they’re all the same… They’re pushing the same basic policies. They’re pretending to be different. And some of the people in the Liberal Party in Australia, for example, the blue party in Australia, are different, but the majority are following like sheep. And what we’re seeing is the same globalist policies, the United Nations, the World Health Organisation, the World Economic Forum, and the policies that’ll make BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, First State all rich. They’re pushing what’s happening in our country. The agenda is driven by these internationalists, these globalists, these unelected parasites who are fronts for big corporations who are fronts for a few people that own them and control them. 

Alex Jones: Absolutely. And of course, the jewel in their crown has been climate change, carbon taxes, the global corporate rules, the regimens, and now they’re bringing in COVID as their lockdown excuse, which they admit are training rules for it. Let’s talk about then your awakening and what’s happening in Australia, because it’s happening everywhere, and then walk through the stratagems that are involved in and then how we dismantle this, how we stop it. 

Malcolm Roberts: Well, I first became involved… I didn’t know anything about this. What you would’ve been saying in 2009, I would’ve probably laughed at. And then I got involved in the climate fraud, exposing the climate fraud. I’m a mining engineer by training. I’ve worked in leadership and management at corporate levels and at mine sites, and I’ve been trained as a mining engineer to keep people alive underground. That means I have to understand atmospheric gases. So, I just knew that carbon dioxide cannot do what they’re saying it can do, “It’ll boil the planet.” It’s not going to boil the bloody planet. It’s nature’s essential fertiliser for plants. So, when they started demonising carbon dioxide… I worked in New Zealand for a client over there for a year. Our family went over there. When we came back, I saw it was a rage in this country, and so I said, “This is bullshit.” 

So, I started researching it and I found out the science is absolute crap. There is no science backing it up whatsoever. So, I then started exploring further. I explored the people who were pushing it. That was the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. I found out that the whole thing was rigged. And then I found out who was driving it and the motives, and it’s just for the same things that globalists do everywhere, control and wealth transfer. There’s a bigger and nastier thing going on. We had a wonderful scientist here called Bob Carter. Professor Bob Carter was an eminent climatologist. He understood the science, and he and I were speaking around the country in various places, all voluntary. He did a marvellous job. 

Anyway, one day he said to me, Alex, “This climate change stuff must be the biggest fraud ever,” and I said, “Bob, it’s not even close,” and he said, “What do you mean?” And I said, “Well, look at the monetary system. Look at the way they issue currency, make it out of thin air,” and he said, “You’ve got a point, okay,” and I said, “But that’s not the worst. The worst is the anti-human scam.” Alex, as you know, and many of your listeners probably know, the fundamental problem is an anti-human problem. They’re portraying humans as uncaring, greedy, rapacious, unkind. We just don’t give a damn about the planet. Nothing could be further from the truth. 

When a foal is given birth from the mare, within 20 minutes, it’s up and about on spindly legs, awkward and it’s trotting and then it sidles up to its mother and has a drink. And then within a few months, it’s eating grass and moving with the herd, completely alone, completely independent. But a human baby, when you and I were born, we were about so long and we were completely helpless for years, and that shows that humans… The fact that you are here, the fact that I’m here, the fact that people are watching this, shows that someone cared for each of us because that is the fundamental trait. The human traits that set us apart are love, care, and reason, although I sometimes wonder about the reasoning skills, but you know what I’m getting at, and that sets us apart. But we are vulnerable, we are dependent for many, many years and the fact that humans actually care about us- 

Alex Jones: Empathy. 

Malcolm Roberts: … is evidence that we are here. 

Alex Jones: Well, absolutely. The real studies show, in most cases, humans make the environment better and not worse. There’s obviously some issues, but we’re cleaning those up. But you hit the nail on the head here. And Elon Musk, after they basically kidnapped his son and sterilised him and his brother almost died in a poison shot, he’s now fully awake and says, “Look, I know the globalist,” and he went back decades ago to the founders of Google saying, “We need to get rid of the people and don’t be pro-human.” He explains it’s a death cult. 

If they could convince us we’re bad and that we have no life force and that we have no survival instinct, then we’ll all roll over and be slaves and be sterilised and basically just phased out. I mean, that’s it. The decision’s been made by the Limits to Growth, the Club of Rome, the World Economic Forum to build a post-human future, and it’s a mad scientist project and we have to get people to face it. It sounds crazy, but now the WEF is very public about it. The New York Times has headlines looking forward to the end of humanity. I’ve been in the grocery store, I’ve seen magazines, “Humans are bad. Looking forward to the end of humans.” They want us to hate ourselves, so we get rid of that empathy and then accept their globalist, anti-human programme. It’s really, for me, simple. 

Malcolm Roberts: You’re absolutely correct. They want us to hate ourselves. They want us to hate each other. They want division. They want fear. During COVID, we saw the same things, fear and isolation and separation, making us feel as though we’re alone and individual and vulnerable, and nothing could be further from the truth. When people stand up, we have very strong care, reasoning ability, and love. But at the same time, Alex, Maria Montessori, the world’s greatest studier of human behaviour and human development, she’s dead now, she died in the ’50s I think, wonderful woman, highly objective, and a huge volume of work and very, very accurate. We go through planes of development when we grow. In the first six years… Well, she said the critical years for the formation of both character and intellect are birth to six. We don’t form ourselves until we’re around about six, and then we don’t start getting intellectual ability reasoning skills until about nine. 

So what that means, Alex, is that you and I and every human on this planet created ourselves, fabricated ourselves before we could intellectually reason. That means it wasn’t God who made me. God created me, but I fabricated my ego. So, what we’ve got is we’ve got these parasitic globalist billionaires, parasitic globalist corporation run by the billionaires who are basically evil and separate from the rest of humanity in that they think they’re superior because they fabricated that. Underneath all of that is fear. Always, Alex, these people are after control. They’re after wealth transfer and, from us to them, they want to make us serfs. Christiana Figueres who used to lead the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change and other senior bureaucrats in the UN have admitted. I mean we don’t need to make this stuff up. They’ve admitted that their agenda is a new world order, a new economic order. 

What’s his name? Maurice Strong, who fabricated global climate change, he said he had two aims in life. One was to put in place an unelected socialist global governance, his words, and the other one was to de-industrialise Western Civilization. No more of these things and no more lights, no more electricity, no more power, no more roads. They want us back in the Dark Ages, back in the cave. That’s how inhuman these people are, but they want the good life. They want us to be serfs to look after them. I mean, we are looking at their own words. They’re telling us with their own words and they’ve told it repeatedly, World Economic Forum, United Nations. 

Alex Jones: And you stand up, we’ve got some of these clips coming up, we play them almost every week, in the Senate and you look them right in the eyes and expose their operations, and I know they’ve come after you, but let’s talk about the censorship systems. I see the policies. Without even votes, they’re trying to enforce where the government can break in your social media and even poses you and then put you in jail for what they’ve done. We see other senators calling for Elon Musk’s arrest. We see similar things in the EU and Brazil. So, again, you guys are really the test case, along with New Zealand, with the WEF minion [inaudible 00:14:17] and Australian leaders saying, “Don’t look at the sunset. Don’t talk to your neighbours.” I mean, this is a wild cult. Your current leader saying he wants to arrest people for memes. Tell us about the WEF, UN push legislation that they’re trying to bring into Australia to silence the people. 

Malcolm Roberts: Well, you’re hitting the nail on the head, Alex, because we have a red party, which is the Labour Party. It’s supposed to be socialist, and we have a blue party, which is the Liberal Party and is in coalition with the National Party that’s supposed to be free enterprise capitalist, and they’re both bullshit. Their policies are almost identical. When you look at it fundamentally, their policies are identical. There’re slight variations in extremity. Every major climate and energy policy, which has been destroying our country since 1996, has been introduced by the liberal nationalists, the capitalists, the conservatives. This is the way they parade themselves. And then each time, Labour comes in and ramps it up. 

Now, when we look at the suite of policies that you are talking about with the control policies, the media control policies, we are looking at the Digital Identity Bill, for example, which enables the government to sell our data, sell it to corporations overseas. That’s the next step in what they’ll be doing. Their current status is they make one massive database with all the other departmental databases filtered into one now. That’s going to be hacker’s paradise and also enable control. Then the next step, and they’ve said this, both liberals and the Labour Party in their draught bills have said this, they want to sell it off to corporations. So, for me to go and get my health data, I will have to access a private corporation and pay them for my data, pay them to access my data. 

Then the next part is the misinformation, disinformation bill. When they don’t define disinformation, they don’t define misinformation accurately in detail, specifics rather, and they also make it a crime to say certain things that go against the government narrative. Now, the government will decide what is misinformation, what is disinformation, and what is serious harm. I was one of the senators in the Senate inquiry yesterday, and no one could… I asked several people, several witnesses, “What’s the definition of serious harm?” and they said they don’t know. 

So, what they’re setting us up for is… Both parties are setting it. The liberals introduced this bill, the Labour Party is now bringing it to a vote. We’ve also got the identity verification data bill, which is about setting up biometric surveillance cameras so that they can see who you’re driving with, who you’re mixing with, who you’re travelling with, who you’re engaging with. These are the sorts of things that they’re setting up, but they’ve already got 15 major cities, as you well know better than anyone else on the planet, in Oxford and other places in Britain. 

The other thing, Alex, is what we’re seeing in Australia is happening in the other British colonies, former British colonies, America, Canada, New Zealand, Britain itself, and Australia. So, this is coordinated globally. It’s coordinated globally, and we don’t even need the evidence now of what Maurice Strong and others are saying to put in place a global governance, unelected socialist global governance. It’s there and it’s coming, and the best thing to do is to stand up and tell them to go to hell, and that’s what we’ve been doing. 

Alex Jones: Well, that’s right. Again, you mentioned the same things here. The Democrats are not trying to take over big tech, it’s one conglomerate, so they can get direct control. Same thing’s happening in Europe. But when they get all the data and the government, quote, “controls” the data, they then have an internet ID. They always do it in the name of protecting children in the US and Australia, it’s all the same. And then once they have all that data, they use that to punish you when you don’t behave the way they want. 

Malcolm Roberts: That’s exactly it, a social credit system. That’s what we can see coming. 

Alex Jones: What is the climate in Australia? I mean, it looks to me like people really woke up during COVID and it seems like they’ve got major opposition. What’s happening? 

Malcolm Roberts: That’s correct, but majority of people are still asleep, Alex. We’ve got a long, long way to go. The climate fraud, as I call it, that was starting to get somewhere. But then on Instagram, for example, just before COVID arrived, we had very slow growth on Instagram. And then COVID arrived, and we took a very strong stance, I mean, just natural stance, doing what is right and protecting people. We saw a lot of young people join us and start following us on Instagram until we got to about 45,000 followers and then it was capped. We didn’t move above that because it was controlled by Meta. But then what we noticed was that initially my posts about COVID and standing up against the government’s regime we’re drawing a lot of favourable comments, but climate, my posts about climate fraud, we’re not drawing mainly comments. 

And then over the ensuing years, bit by bit, people started realising that… They said this to me, younger people in their 20s and 30s said, “We looked at COVID. We could see the fraud that was going on there and the control mechanisms being put in place. And then we looked at climate in new eyes and we started seeing the same traits, the same characteristics in that.” And then they realised climate fraud is just a control mechanism as well. What they’re wanting, Alex, is they’re wanting to control our food supply, and they’ve made that clear. They’re wanting to control our energy, they already control the money. They’re wanting to get rid of cash so that we become totally dependent on a digital ID, a digital currency and social credit. They want to control our movements, our transport. They want to surveil us. So, that’s what they’re trying to do, and what we’ve been doing is just telling them to go to hell and just exposing it because we’ve got to get people away. 

In a totalitarian state, as you well know as you’ve said many times, the people are afraid of the government. In a true democracy, a true democracy… and I don’t believe we live in a true democracy. In a true democracy, the government is afraid of the people because the people are in charge. And our country was the first in the world and the only country in the world in which the people had a vote on the Constitution before it came into play. The people are the only people who can change our Constitution, Alex. So, we are in charge. We are the top level of sovereignty in our country, and what we’ve been doing is we’ve been sleeping and taking everything for granted, and now we’ve got to stand up for our country and fight for it. 

Alex Jones: Absolutely. We have Australian National Senator Malcolm Roberts. He is our guest here, and I want to start playing a few clips. We’re going to go to break and come back and cover more of this. I want to play clip number one. Roberts, the plan of the Great Reset is that you will die with nothing, and that’s their public plan. Everything will be rented and you can’t rent it unless you’ve got good favorability with a social credit score, and they’ll always be raising the bar. Let’s play that clip, then back to back with clip two about COVID. Here it is. 

Video: Instead of working together to push Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum plan based on United Nations’ policies, work together instead for our country. Klaus Schwab’s “life by subscription”, quote, is really serfdom. It’s slavery. Billionaire globalist corporations will own everything, homes, factories, farms, cars, furniture, and everyday citizens will rent what they need if their social credit score allows. The plan of the Great Reset is that you will die with nothing. To pull off this evil plan, Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum will need to take more than just material possessions from Australians. Senators in this very chamber today who support the Great Reset threaten our privacy, freedom, and dignity. Yes, they’re in this Senate Chamber. One Nation vehemently opposes the Great Reset, the Digital Identity Bill, theft of agricultural land use, forcing farmers off their land, and all of the Great Reset. One Nation has a comprehensive plan to bring our beautiful country back to sustainable prosperity, and in the months ahead, we will be rolling that plan out. 

Instead of Lib-Lab pushing Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset with the tagline, “You’ll own nothing and be happy,” One Nation advocates the Great Resist. We stand for a world where individuals and communities have primacy over predatory globalist billionaires and their quisling bureaucrats, politicians, and mouthpiece media. One Nation accepts the challenge to provide a better future for everyday Australians. We have one flag. We are one community, and we are one nation. 

It’s become clear that people in this country and globally have been steamrolled. It is also clear that it has been coordinated globally. It is also clear that it has been integrated not just over six months, not just over two and a half years, but it has been planned over decades. The changes to legislation in this country were done so that they could control doctors and people. But the people are waking, and it’s thanks to people like Dr. Altman and all the presenters here today, thanks to people like Senator Babet and Craig Kelly. We know and we knew that this is all bullshit and that we’ve been had. But we are going to hound you down, the people that are guilty, we are going to hound you down and hold you accountable and we will expose your global agenda so that the people of Australia can be free in the future, because I love my kids and I’m looking forward to my grandkids, and we are going to save this country. 

Alex Jones: That’s Senator Malcolm Roberts. We’re going to go on a break here in a few minutes and come back and get a whole bunch of topics and documents he sent. But look, we’re under attack. They’re giving us poison shots. They’re cutting off our energy. They’re literally saying they want to get rid of most of the farms. They’re saying big corporations will own everything. This is tyranny and you have to get aggressive and you have to realise it’s a new type of war. It’s economic war, and that’s not a new type, but the way they’re deploying it is new. 

And what Malcolm Roberts is doing, the senator, is exposing that this is global. We all have the same enemies with Klaus Schwab saying, bragging with David Gergen famously, “We penetrates the cabinets. We controls the cabinets,” and then you’ve got his… They say, “Well, who’s your best minion? Trudeau is the best, and what does Trudeau say? “I want a basic dictatorship. I admire Xi Jinping.” Hillary’s on TV twice the last two weeks saying, “Ban free speech.” New York Times says, “Time to get rid of the Constitution.” I mean, these people aren’t even hiding it anymore. And whereas Australia is ahead on the tyranny and behind on the awakening, because I followed it closely, it’s explosive and you see it going straight up here. It’s starting to go straight up in Australia and Europe, and it’s exciting. Elon Musk is full in. All the top talk show hosts are full in. Populists are winning elections everywhere. It’s happening. 

We’ll be right back with Senator Malcolm Roberts straight ahead, and we’ll tell you about their party and more and how you get involved in their organisation. We’re all one nation, the human nation, against the new world order. 

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Alex Jones: We’re about to recapture the whole country when we get Trump elected. They already tried to kill him twice. There’s other assassinations public doesn’t know about. I want to quantify something before we go back to Senator Malcolm Roberts in Australia, and I don’t tell the stories that’s about me, it’s about understanding and giving people a lot of hope because they have the facts. I’ve been on the air 30 years and we were already number one on Shoutcast and internet streaming ahead of music 23, 24 years ago. There was almost no news about the new world order and the globalist and the unelected EU, and nobody really knew who Nigel Farage was, but he had his new party with only a few members and we would get him on. Decade later, and you can find the clips, he came on without me even asking. He was, “I am on as a guest about something else,” and he said, “Half the support in UKIP came from your show,” because we were number 45 at times, biggest website in the UK according to Alexa tracking. 

So, we were in the 40s for years, and we had millions of people just in the UK alone tuning in every week via 14-bit streams that we were streaming out and paying for ourselves. It sounded like a tin can, but people were listening and that just shows how infectious, in a good way, the truth is because I was showing documents, I was showing reality, and they had Brexit and the globalist came in and manipulated that and tried to block it. Now, there’s all these EU countries trying to leave, but it’s unelected at the top with the EU Commission. It’s hard to do, but we’re not going to take things back right away. They’ve got a lot of tricks up their sleeve. But just look what this show did with my guests and everybody in the UK and Nigel Farage saying, “UKIP blew up because of this show.” He’d go to people’s doors and at first they know who he was. He’d talk to them, they go, “Oh, I saw you and Alex Jones. Yeah, I’m going to support the party.” 

So, it’s like fire. We can burn down tyranny, I mean that as a non-violent analogy, with this. And you don’t just need Alex Jones, you’ve got Malcolm Roberts, you’ve got tens of thousands of prominent men and women around the world fighting this. But then you’ve got Elon Musk converting to reality because he’s seen the tyranny for himself, and now he’s as, quote, “hardcore” as I am. So, Malcolm, I wanted to ask you about Elon Musk and just how big a game changer you think he is on this because he’s exposing the climate power grab, the depopulation plan, the COVID power grab, the ESG scores. At the world government conference of the WEF last year, he told them their face they’re a global tyranny. I mean, Elon Musk I think in many ways is more important than Trump. What’s your view on him? 

Malcolm Roberts: He is very, very important. I don’t know him too much in detail, and I don’t talk about things I don’t know a lot about. But I do know one thing about him for sure, and that is that our eSafety commissar in this country, Julie Inman Grant… She’s a bureaucrat looking to censor people. She was appointed by the liberals, and she’s now getting her powers enhanced by the Labour Party. She’s an American, and she’s come over here and she’s head of our eSafety division, which is an internet censorship. She took him on. She used to be employed by Twitter when it was called Twitter, then he bought it out. She recently took him to court, and she lost. She absolutely got smashed. 

Alex Jones: Beautiful. 

Malcolm Roberts: Anybody who takes on the eSafety commissar is a good guy to me. I look at what people do, not what they say, and I look at what he’s done on X and now he’s opened that up. We used to get suppressed and heavily censored on X, or Twitter as it was. Now, we’re free again and we’re saying whatever we want to say. The best way to protect truth and to determine the truth, Alex, as you know, is to have free speech debate, open debate, that’s the best way, and what we’ve got is a bureaucrat wanting to control that. So, Elon’s standing up against that, and that is fundamental to human progress. 

The number one trade, number one key to human progress is freedom. Because one thing humans are doing, we’re very, very creative. You might come up with an idea, you might share it with someone else. That second person blows it out of the water. Then third person gets the idea and makes a wonderful product or service out of it. That’s the beauty of humans, that we communicate and we travel. That’s the essence of humans, and we do so with good motives, most of us, that Elon Musk is lighting that up again, allowing that to happen. 

When I was first elected into the Senate, I just barely squeaked in. Our party boss said, “Let’s go up to the park, and we’ll have a media conference.” And there, I was asked the usual. I had about 20 journalists in front of me and my wife and my son. The journalists were asking all the nice questions like, “How many kids you got? What are your hobbies? Blah, blah, blah.” And then one guy was off to the side and I noticed him off to the side, and he stood up and he said after a while, in words that were inoffensive but the tone was basically, “You are that wanker who thinks that this global climate change is all about global governance.” Most politicians in that position would’ve said, “That’s not what I went… That’s not…” But I just looked at him and said, “Yes, that’s correct. Next question.” He didn’t know what to do. My point is that we need to stand up together, all of us, with Elon Musk and speak the truth. That’s the fundamental thing we need to do. 

Alex Jones: What you just said, Senator, is the key. Stop apologising for telling the truth. Stop acting like the establishment has the authority, they’re losing it, the people are turning against it, and own being the black sheep, the rebel against tyranny, being the Robin Hood. You raised that. I noticed you sent me some key articles here. They’re doing the same thing here. “Oh, we’re going to create an internet ID. It’s in Canada, Australia, the US, Europe, it’s just for the kids.” But then they admit this internet ID is for everybody to bring in the social credit score, the ESG, just like they tried to use vaccine passports as that. Bill Gates, the UN admits it. So, this is critical to their total control to get this in. They’re so close all over the world. Describe what’s happening, “Australia plans to bar young children from social media.” Sounds nice, but what’s really happening? 

Malcolm Roberts: That’s just a way of putting something in place for rolling it out to everyone, just giving themselves the power to do it, to control everyone. Alex, take a step back and look at what’s going on. They stole farmers’ property rights. The fundamental trait in human civilizations is secure property rights. That drives our initiative. It drives our sense of responsibility, drives innovation. That, they stole, and it was the right wing who supposedly, right-wing government… I don’t like using left and right. It’s bullshit. It’s just a fabrication. But our conservative, our liberal government, stole farmers’ property rights in 1996 to 2007 under John Howard’s governance. Now, he was supposed to be one of the best prime ministers. When I look into some of the things he’s done, many people don’t realise it. So, what I’m saying is, they’re wolves in sheep’s clothing. 

Both parties are pushing this agenda. They stole farmers’ property rights, which is fundamental, they’re destroying family, there’s controlling speech, they’re destroying religion, bad-mouthing Christianity, which gave us our Western Civilization, the fundamentals of Western Civilization, our values, and they’re putting controls in place like this social media control that you’re talking about. They’re doing all the things that a communist party would do because they are communist in their approach. What I’m saying is that the blue party here, the liberals, the so-called free enterprise party, and the red party, the Labour Party, the supposedly socialist party are pushing this, but the Socialist Party is not doing things for workers. I’ve had to take on the Socialist Government over wage theft of workers losing up to $41,000 per year per person, and they’re wanting to cover it up and we are still fighting on that. 

Alex Jones: Oh, that’s just like the unions selling out workers here. Next topic you sent, and this is happening in the United States very quietly. I have two people, 20 years ago, was in the documents. Now, they’re doing it in California, they’re doing it in Oregon, they’re doing it in Colorado, New York. In your country, Energex, that’s a big company, remotely cuts power to 170,000 air conditioners six times in a month, and now they’re giving people notices on their digital thermostats that they’ve taken control of it for climate change, and again just like Enron was caught scamming people and charging more. This is technocracy. Explain what this is, Senator. 

Malcolm Roberts: This is control of energy. Because once you have control, as Kissinger himself have said, one of the most evil globalists of all, “If you can control energy, food, and money, you have control of the country.” And then that’s what they’re doing here. It’s technocracy. They also have encouraged people through massive subsidies that we pay for. I won’t fall for the scam, so I have refused to have solar panels put on my roof. What they’ve done now is they’re wanting to turn off your solar panels from feeding energy into the grid because the grid is unstable. We used to have the world’s cheapest electricity in the world because of our coal-fired power stations. Now, we’ve got amongst the most expensive because we’ve got the highest level of subsidies. There’s so many things, Alex. 

What they’re trying to do now is put smart metres to not only control air conditioners and when you’ll use your power and how you’ll use it, but to actually control the supply from the house solar panels into the grid. And also when they shut it down, you won’t be able to use the power generated on your own bloody solar panels. That’s what they’re trying to do. They’re trying to control the whole way we live. Look at it, they’re destroying it. 

Alex Jones: Same thing being done here. Same thing in Europe. They put in the solar panels, get you to pay for it, claim there’s a rebate, and then turn around later and say, “Oh, it isn’t working in the grid.” And then now they’re trying to pass laws in some areas where you can’t have your own independent solar panels. 

Malcolm Roberts: Right. So, what we’re also doing, Alex, is we are paying subsidies which drive up the cost of our electricity. We’re paying subsidies to parasitic billionaires, parasitic corporations, mostly foreign-owned, many of them from China, to instal solar and wind here, which is driving up the cost of electricity. The number one cost component in manufacturing today, it’s not labour, it’s electricity. Labour is based out of manufacturing because of the mechanisation and the control automation. So, electricity. Now, what happens is we buy our bloody solar panels and our wind turbines from China. China imports some of our coal for them to make those things. So, we’re sending them our resources. We’re a bigger supplier of iron ore for their steel, which goes into turbines. So, we’re supplying the resources to China. China is then turning that into coal-fired power at 8 cents a kilowatt hour. We’re using the same power here with no transport costs, and we’re selling it at 25 to 30 cents per kilowatt hour. Our manufacturing is going broke and being shipped to China. Our factories and work and jobs- 

Alex Jones: Absolutely… 

Malcolm Roberts: … are being shipped to China. So, we are supplying them with that. We are the world’s largest exporters of hydrocarbon fuels. That’s coal, oil, and natural gas. We’ve got huge exports of coal and natural gas. The largest exporter, we can’t use the stuff here, but we can send it to China and let them generate cheap electricity out of it and smash us. And then [inaudible 00:39:33]. 

Alex Jones: And that’s because the globalists have made a deal with them. They made a deal to do that that Trump was trying to kill. 

Malcolm Roberts: Correct. 

Alex Jones: Talking about coal, we have clean burning coal plants, so they put out carbon dioxide and water vapour. So, they list carbon dioxide as toxic, as you said. It’s one of the four keys of life, water, sunlight, oxygen, carbon dioxide, and they are shutting it down all over the West and moving it all to China and India and Mexico that have dirty plants. It’s totally insane. But, again, it centralises power. 

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. It gives them control over us. That’s what they’re wanting to do. We also know that what they’re wanting to do is smash down private enterprise, private initiative, private ownership. That’s what I mentioned in my speech about the Great Reset. They’re wanting to smash private ownership and then you’ll become dependent on them. So, whether you get your food, whether you get your electricity, you’ll depend on your social credit score. This has all been done. It’s being done in China. They want to turn us. Alex, before the Industrial Revolution, there was basically feudalism, and we were serfs on land that the baron or the lord of the manor controlled and he gave us the use of enough land to sustain ourselves, but he took most of our work results. He took most of the product, the fruits of our labour. 

What they’re wanting to do now… And then we had the Industrial Revolution, we had the development of science, and science is wonderful because it’s the basis of freedom. Because up until science, someone with the strongest religious fear, someone with the biggest army, the financial power, the property ownership, they controlled what we said, what we did, how we lived, whether or not we lived at times in the so-called civilised countries at the time. They lost all of that when science came out and started making decisions based on our objective data, but they also lost it with the Industrial Revolution. We had a huge middle-class burgeon across the western world that freed slaves. So, we had slavery abolished, we had a middle-class rising, we had the people having the power through choice through private enterprise and the philosophy- 

Alex Jones: Instead, they’re teaching us to hate the West because the globalists have written their own books. We’ve covered it here that if the world aspires to the civil wars and the things that happened in what is England today, in Scotland, Ireland that then develop the freedoms that spread to America and the rest of the world, the flower or the Renaissance, if the world aspires to the ideas that we promoted in a middle-class and freedom, that makes globalism look terrible and no one’s going to want it. But if they can discredit and de-industrialise and culturally destroy the West, then everyone will fall to this new corporate world government hellhole. 

Malcolm Roberts: Exactly. I’ve been in all 50 of yours American states. I went over there when I was 24, and I fell in love with [inaudible 00:42:28]. I mean, I’m very proud of my country, but I loved America. I mean, America, and I’ve got to put a caveat on that, has been decimated in the last 30 years thanks to- 

Alex Jones: I want to ask- 

Malcolm Roberts: … both the Obamas, the Clintons. I mean, you’ve been ruled by criminals and literally ruled. But I was fascinated by America, all 50 states. It was nothing to just be driving through some place in bankrupt black box of Idaho or Iowa and see a massive building constructed by someone and across the top of the portal would be dedicated to people of the world, and it was genuine. I felt the energy. I arrived just before Reagan took over and I was there when he took over, and I felt the energy. He picked up the whole damn country and said, “Stop being embarrassed and stop being ashamed of your country and be proud.” I’ve never seen so many people lifted up by one person trying to bring back freedom, and that’s the fundamental thing. We’ve got to be free because that’s the key to human prosperity, human civilization. 

What they’re wanting, Alex, to get back to what I was saying before, they’re wanting to take us back to serfdom, and this time it’ll be a digitally-imposed serfdom with restrictions. So, what they’re wanting us to be is producers against serfs and happy little consumers that’ll buy only the products that they want to sell us, which will be drugs and diseases that keep us in disease. They don’t want to kill us, they want to keep us just on the edge of death so that we become lifetime subscribers to big pharma. 

I mean, big pharma controls 75% of the advertising revenue in your country, not in your show, that’s for sure. Defence, they create wars, and your country has turned into… Instead of being the beacon of the world, it is now… It’s got wonderful people still. Americans are just beautiful. I’m married to an American. Our kids are dual citizens because… So, I love Americans, but the government of America has now become a terrorist organisation, willy-nilly just invading any country it will, and that is infected in some of our countries around the world as well because we just madly follow you into war. I mean, it’s just insane, but the people are starting to wake up. 

Alex Jones: Well, let’s talk about that. Senator Malcolm Roberts from Australia, one of the main voices fighting tyranny over there for all of us. And if Australia follows the new order completely, it’s going to be bad for everybody. Looking at the situation of the Russia, Ukraine, looking at the kleptocracy, attempts to kill Trump, what is your view on the war going on there, the Middle East? And then what’s your view on President Trump, and what would’ve happened if Trump would’ve been killed? 

Malcolm Roberts: Well, I don’t know what would’ve happened if Trump had been killed. But I’ll tell you something I do know, and that is what Pauline Hanson, the leader of our party, and I did in the forecourt of Parliament House in Canberra here in Australia, when Donald Trump was elected in 2016, we popped the bottle of champagne to celebrate it. Now, I don’t drink, but we had to show our support. 

If America is free, the world has a better chance of being free. The only way America can be free again is if Trump gets elected. The globalists are terrified. The media, the mouthpiece, media, the Big Brother media, they’re terrified. He got them eating themselves. I mean, he just stood up to them. The man is amazing. So, Donald Trump is essential for the whole damn planet because he is essential, just like Reagan lifted up America. I get goosebumps just thinking about it. Anyway, I won’t get back to the details there. But just like Reagan lifted America up again and revitalised America, Trump can. America is extremely important to the world. We’ve got to get America back on track, and the only person who can get America back on track is Donald Trump. That’s our best hope for the future. 

Alex Jones: Senator Roberts, we’ve only got about three minutes left. There I am having champagne with Roger Stone, election night, 2016. I hope to be doing that again, coming up here in 24 days. We’ve got about three minutes. Very impressive what you’re doing. You’re fighting for all of us. I want everybody out there to share this interview everywhere and get more Australians awake. Every person we wake up is key in this fight. People are ready to be awoken. Three minute closing comments, Sir. 

Malcolm Roberts: I’m fiercely pro-human, Alex. First of all, I want to thank you for what you’re doing. You’re a beacon of hope around the world. I mean, just amazing. I’m fiercely pro-human because humans are wonderful. We’ve got some who are parasites, some who are control freaks, who want to keep us in fear, but we need to remember, always beneath control, there is fear. The parasitic globalists are afraid of us. Tucker Carlson came over here and spoke so wonderfully. He spoke for 50 minutes. And at the end of his show, his call to action was one word, “Speak.” So, everyone around the world start to realise just how wonderful humans are, how caring we are, how loving we are. We’re the only ones with the ability to reason. 

The globalists have been telling us that human civilization and the environment are not compatible. That is complete bullshit. The human civilization, if you go to civilised countries around the world, the higher the development, the lesser the impact on the environment. The future of our civilization depends upon having a healthy environment. The future of the environment depends upon having a healthy civilization because the higher developed our civilization is, the lesser our impact on the environment. That is around the world. Go to a poor country in Africa, and you’ll find them shitting in the creek because they can’t afford any services and they’re too busy scratching for the next meal for their kids. So, look at us here in Australia, in America, civilised, developed countries. We have lower impact on the environment. But our number one goal, they’re telling us, the globalists are telling us, should be to protect the environment. That is complete horse shit. What our number one goal should be is to have our species flourishing, our species to be flourishing. 

So, just remember that what they’re telling us about our human race is lies. What they’re trying to do is set us down for control, keep us under fear. And what we need to do is to recognise just how wonderful we are. Sure, we’ve got people who go off the rails now and then. That’s part of their natural variation, but we’ve got ways of dealing with that. So, just remember that humans are… The future of our planet depends upon humans being humans and flourishing. I believe every human should have one goal, and that is for the human species to flourish. And that means peace, it means cooperation, it means work, it means free markets, it means free thought, it means free speech, free movement, free travel, free association, free exchange. All the things these parasitic bastards of the globalists are trying to get rid of, Alex, is what we need to stand up and fight for. 

Freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of travel, freedom of association, freedom of initiative, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of speech, these are the things, fundamental. It’s like they say, “If you’re a doctor at a hospital and they bring in some regime like COVID shots, mandated them, and you stand up alone, then you’ve got a problem. But if the doctors stand up, say 9 out of the 20 doctors at a regional hospital, stand up, the hospital has a problem.” In a totalitarian government, totalitarian country, the people are controlled by the government. In a true democracy, the government is controlled by the people, and that’s what we need to get back to. 

Alex Jones: Absolutely. 

Malcolm Roberts: But it’ll only come back if we speak amongst each other and spread the word, spread what’s going on. So, thank you so much. I’ve got to finish with thanks to you, Alex, because you have been under the pump for years and years and years and you’ve been saying the same thing, and now there are many people around the world waking up. So, thank you and keep going. 

Alex Jones: We salute all of you there in Australia. A lot of great listeners there. God bless you, Sir. We’ll talk soon. 

Malcolm Roberts: Thanks, Alex. 

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The world’s predatory billionaires are continuing their quest to rule the world for their own benefit, with vassal states like Australia recently signing onto their latest power grab – the United Nations Pact for the Future.

Before this Pact can take effect in Australia, the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties will need to conduct an inquiry, followed by both Houses of Parliament voting for ratification. The public still has time to bring to heel the globalists running the Albanese Labor government.

The Pact is essentially a comprehensive wish list for global governance. On the upside, it lacks detail, firm language, and binding commitments. These were in the original draft but were removed to push the diluted document through. Even then, nine nations voted against moving towards a vote, and 40 more abstained. The UN doesn’t have the support it needs to press ahead with any significant theft of national sovereignty. However, that won’t stop some traitors in our Parliament and bureaucracy from handing it over, claiming that “the UN told us to.”

Only One Nation is committed to standing against the transfer of wealth and power to the world’s predatory billionaires and their lackeys in the United Nations, World Health Organisation and World Economic Forum.

Transcript

Last week the United Nations passed its Pact for the Future. Before the pact can come into effect in Australia, the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties has to do an inquiry, and then both houses of parliament vote for ratification. The public have time to bring to heal the globalists running the Albanese Labor government.

The pact is a comprehensive wish list for world governance with no detail and no implementation plan. There are 56 bold actions—really, they’re fluffy motherhood statements. For example, action 2, which I will quote in full, is:

Action 2. We will place the eradication of poverty at the centre of our efforts to achieve the 2030 Agenda.

21. Eradicating poverty, in all its forms and dimensions, including extreme poverty, is an imperative for all humankind. We decide to:

(a) Take comprehensive and targeted measures to eradicate poverty by addressing the multidimensional nature of poverty, including through rural development strategies and investments and innovations in the social sector, especially education and health;

(b) Take concrete actions to prevent people from falling back into poverty, including by establishing well-designed, sustainable and efficient social protection systems for all that are responsive to shocks.

That’s the entire section on eliminating poverty. It looks like the AI author trained only on children’s picture books.

Do you remember Labor’s failed slogan: ‘By 1990, no Australian child will be living in poverty’? The pact is not a pandemic treaty. The word ‘pandemic’ is not mentioned. COVID is not mentioned. The World Health Organization is not mentioned. There are no penalty clauses for noncompliance. There is no dispute clause, because the pact does not include anything tangible enough to dispute. In the formal vote to adopt, 45 nations opposed it or abstained. What happens now is that our globalist government will sign up to any and every theft of Australian sovereignty it can while saying, ‘The United Nations made me do it.’ No, the United Nations did not. Whatever nefarious attack on agriculture, standard of living, education and human rights the government is planning is entirely this government’s responsibility.

In this video I outline One Nation’s plan to restore Australian farming – within the 60 seconds I was allotted to debate the Nationals’ motion on the issue. 

It’s an easy solution: end the net zero madness! 

Net zero is a policy of the Liberals, the Nationals, Labor, the Greens, and the Teals. Their collective commitment to net zero is destroying farming through the death of a thousand regulatory cuts, strangling farmers with restrictions on water use, farm chemicals, fertilisers, on their soil. This is choking the life out of rural Australia in the name of reducing carbon dioxide, which helps grow the very food these net zero ideologues eat. 

In reality, net zero means net zero food, net zero clothing, net zero freedom and net zero travel. The UN and the World Economic Forum are pushing for food to be produced in near-urban intensive food manufacturing facilities producing cultural lab-grown meat, forced greens with no cell structure and bug protein. It’s time to let Australian farmers once again feed and clothe the world.  

Let’s end government driven by ideology and restore common sense to farming. 

Transcript

How would One Nation restore Australian farming—explained in the 60 seconds the Nationals have allocated me? It’s easy: end the net zero madness. Net zero is a policy of the Liberals, the Nationals, the Labor Party, the Greens and the teals. Each committed to destroying farming through the death of a thousand regulatory cuts, strangling farmers with restrictions on water use, on farm chemicals and fertilisers and even on their soil. This is strangling the life out of rural Australia in the name of reducing carbon dioxide, which fertilises the very food these net zero ideologues eat. 

Net zero really means net zero food, net zero clothes, net zero freedom and net zero travel. We’ve been told by the UN and the World Economic Forum that food will be produced in near-urban intensive food-manufacturing facilities producing cultured laboratory meat, forced greens with no cell structure and bug protein. Allow Australian farmers to once again feed and clothe the world. It’s time to end government by ideology. 

Unbelievable! The Albanese Labor government is celebrating a measly 0.8% wage increase for the quarter, while inflation has gone up by 1%. Do the math, and it’s clear—we’re all going backwards by 0.2%! 😡 Yet, the Treasurer and Prime Minister have the audacity to tell us to celebrate. Meanwhile, everyday Aussies are suffering through the worst cost-of-living crisis in modern history. Our GDP is barely avoiding a recession, propped up only by a massive influx of one million new migrants in just two years. Let’s be real: we’re in the middle of the worst per capita recession since the Great Depression!

The Liberal-Labor Uniparty is shipping off our natural resources, obeying unelected foreign bodies like the WEF, and allowing predatory investment funds to own our critical industries. Additionally, they’ve also let our housing crisis spiral out of control by bringing in more people than we can house.

Only One Nation will put a stop to this madness and fight for the Australian people. It’s time to end these anti-Australian decisions that are dragging us backwards.

Transcript

Well, I couldn’t believe my ears last week. The Albanese Labor government burst out of the gates to tell Australians to celebrate and rejoice: wages had gone up 0.8 per cent for the quarter. The Treasurer and Prime Minister tell us: ‘Pop the champagne bottles! Just ignore the fact that inflation has gone up one per cent for the same quarter.’ That means everyone has gone backwards an average of 0.2 per cent. Can you believe the Treasurer and Prime Minister can bring themselves to front up to the cameras to address this parliament and put such a ridiculous spin on the latest round of bad news? How do they do it? How does the Labor Party keep telling Australians we’ve never had it better, while Australians struggle through the worst cost-of-living crisis in modern history? The GDP is treading water; it’s barely staying out of technical recession. How is it staying out? Thanks to one million fresh migrant arrivals in just two years, boosting official gross domestic product, GDP, to just barely over the recession threshold. 

Meanwhile, let’s look at how everyday Australians are faring. We’re in the middle of the worst per capita recession since the Great Depression. Australians have not gone backwards on average this badly since the 1930s—almost a century. What is the Liberal-Labor uniparty’s answer to this? The uniparty will continue to send our natural resources overseas for China to use in building solar panels that China sells back to us. The uniparty will continue to obey what unelected foreign organisations like the World Economic Forum say. The uniparty will keep letting foreign predatory investment funds like BlackRock, Vanguard and State Street, and banks like JP Morgan, own our critical industries and get away with economic murder. The uniparty will continue to let too many new arrivals into our country before we have the necessary housing and services, prolonging the housing crisis that the uniparty created over recent decades. The housing crisis did not occur overnight; it’s been cultivated. Only One Nation will stop this madness and put an end to anti-Australia decisions that are sending our people backwards. (Time expired) 

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A Triad of Tyranny

Three Bills are being rammed through the Senate to create legislation that will transform the UN-WEF plans for surveillance and control into a dystopian reality in Australia.

The first is the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023, which is designed to permit the use of biometric data to locate and track citizens and normalise it. The second, the Digital Identity Bill 2023, will ensure Australians have no choice but to succumb to setting up a digital ID. The third is the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill 2023. This is the censorship tool to make sure both the media and social media carries government sanctioned opinions only. The government in power is exempted and free to be the Ministry of Truth, spreading misinformation or disinformation. Remember how well that went during the COVID response?

The Driver’s Licence database is being upgraded to become the repository of your master identification record, which is already being used to establish your identity with a paper check and now with a facial scan.

I implored the Senate to vote against and to reject this Bill. This is the first of three Bills necessary to turn Australia into the world’s first World Economic Forum digital prison.

Transcript

One Nation strongly opposes the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023. Here’s why. The Albanese government’s great mate, Blackrock boss Larry Fink, and predatory billionaires at the World Economic Forum are fond of the phrase ‘you will own nothing and be happy’. What they really mean is that they will own everything and you will comply. Why would people voluntarily enslave themselves, give up their homes, cars and household goods and lose the right to travel freely, I hear you ask. The answer is that people will not be given a choice. They will be coerced—forced into it. That’s the purpose of this government’s triad of tyranny.

First is the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023, which will normalise and allow the use of biometric data to locate and track citizens. Second is the Digital ID Bill 2023, which will force every Australian into having a digital ID. Third is the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill 2023, which will ensure media and social media only carry government sanctioned opinions; the government will be exempted and can be free to spread misinformation and disinformation.

Biometric data is your face turned into a data file based on your physical characteristics. It allows for faster and more accurate identification. They will capture your face. The national drivers licence database is being upgraded to become the repository of your master identification record, which is already used to establish your identity with a paper check. Now it will have a facial scan.

Australians do not need to consent in a meaningful manner. The bill currently uses the word ‘consent’ without definition. Consent can be implied. Here’s an example. If a person sees a video of themselves on a self-service check-out at the supermarket and uses the check-out anyway, it’s considered implied consent. The government has accepted that implied consent is no consent at all and has upgraded the reference to ‘consent’ in their amendment on sheet UD100 to ‘explicit consent’. That isn’t good enough either. Explicit consent can be provided as blanket consent. An example would be MasterCard changing their terms and conditions to allow for facial recognition whenever their card is used. Once the card owner gets the email saying, ‘We have updated our terms and conditions. Click here to approve,’ and people click without reading it, one of those new terms could be permission for facial recognition. Did you give consent? No.

Banks currently record the image of anyone using their ATMs and then use that in the case of a fraudulent transaction. Banks will update their terms and conditions to give themselves the right to run your biometric
verification on each occasion before allowing access to your account. Refusing the new permission gives your bank or card company the right to refuse service. It’s that simple. It’s blackmail. This is why the government suggesting a digital ID or biometric data check will be voluntary is a complete lie. It’s compulsory, because not agreeing means you lose your bank account or payment card or service—just as those voluntary COVID injections were compulsory if you wanted to keep your job and your house and feed your family.

I foreshadow an amendment in the committee stage on sheet 2327 to change the definition of ‘explicit’ to ‘active’, meaning on each occasion your face is to be scanned they must ask permission before they scan it and make sure they get your permission each time. That’s active consent. This should be supported, because the government already says Australians will have to consent to their biometric data being used—unless, of course, that was misinformation.

This bill does not offer a direct link between the authentication action at a check-out, office, airport et cetera and the master file. A government hub receives a request and pulls the master file, meaning only the government has access to the master file. This seems to look acceptable, yet it means there’s a master file with 17 million records containing name, address, telephone, date of birth, drivers licence number, passport number and a biometric identification file all sitting in the same database. That’s all the information necessary to steal someone’s ID and impersonate them online—a hacker’s paradise.

Robodebt proved that our bureaucrats are incapable of even a simple one-to-one database match, and now they’re being trusted to pull this off. It’s impossible without a high level of compulsion and without completely ignoring victims of software or data-matching errors. If the look-up fails, then your purchase, travel, document, signing or whatever other use fails. If the purchase was for petrol, your family could be stranded late at night. We might as well start the royal commission now.

Downstream from the big government database are what I call intermediaries or entities with participating agreements. There are 20 of these so far. Their role is to take a request for authentication from a bank or card
processor, solicitor, real estate agent, airline—anyone needing you to prove you are who you say you are—and submit that to the national drivers licence database hub to run past the master database. In the original bill there were no effective checks and balances on those businesses. The government’s amendment of its own bill has added a few checks and balances to ensure that intermediaries must delete data received as part of the verification process.

Thank you, Minister Gallagher. That, taken together with my amendment to make the level of consent clear, takes some of the potential abuse out of the bill. A clear privacy statement would have helped. The government have promised they will do that later. There are trust issues around that promise.

Questions remain around the New South Wales government’s comment that this bill will allow them to verify that every person detected driving a car past a surveillance camera has a drivers licence.

The only way this can be achieved is if every driver is scanned every time they pass a detection camera and their image is compared to the national database. Does this mean those cameras going up around Australia are just the right height to scan the driver’s face and that the cameras will be used to scan and verify your identity each time you pass one? Yes, it does. Before they work out who you are and whether you have a licence, they have to scan and verify your biometrics. It’s the only explanation for the New South Wales government’s comment.

For those listening to this with incredulity, I remind you that this is exactly the system now in place in London, with Lord Mayor Khan’s ULEZ, Ultra Low Emission Zone, and in Birmingham, Manchester and other cities in Britain. It’s really the World Economic Forum’s 15-minute cities happening right now. Residents are locked into their zone and can only leave a certain number of times a year. This is happening in Britain. That depends on the make and model of the car you drive. If you drive a car they don’t like, you can’t move. Rich people who can afford electric cars can, of course, come and go as they please. Everyday citizens are locked in or, when they leave, the cameras detect them leaving and fine them on the spot. It’s a fine of 180 pounds a week for leaving over seven days.

That’s in Britain now. Already it has raised hundreds of millions of pounds because people will pay for freedom.

Look it up. Don’t just trust me: look it up. There are fines for not registering with the system and fines for breaching the 15-minute limits. It’s a virtual fence. It’s like an electric dog collar. It’s the foundation for a social credit system to completely control people’s lives. So don’t tell me this is a conspiracy theory. It’s real and it’s happening now in our mother country.

Cash is necessary to ensure these measures are ameliorated as much as possible, which is why the globalist wing of the Liberal Party tried to ban cash in the last parliament, which One Nation defeated. It should be obvious that predatory, parasitic billionaires and some of their lackeys in the Labor and Liberal Party are getting their ducks in a row because they want to be ready for the full implementation of their globalist masters’ control agenda, exactly as they promised. It’s not like they’re hiding any of this. When they tell us what they’re going to do, listen.

Remember this government’s triad of tyranny. Already entered into parliament is the Identity Verification Services Bill 2023 to normalise and allow the use of biometric data to locate and track citizens. Here it is. There’s the Digital ID Bill 2023 to force every Australian into having a digital ID. There’s the misinformation and disinformation bill 2023, which will ensure media and social media only carry government sanctioned opinions, and the government is exempted. I implore the Senate to vote against this bill and to reject this bill. This is the first of three bills necessary to turn Australia into the world’s first World Economic Forum digital prison.

The Labor Party’s famed light on the hill is now nothing more than the sun reflecting off solar panels, which we know are expensive, short lived and an environmental disaster – just like the Albanese Labour government. In a recent article in The Australian, Jenny George AO delivered a scathing assessment of the modern Labor Party, stating that “Labor today is not the party it once was. It has lost its moral direction.”Members of the Labor Party like Jenny George have not left the party – the party left them. Continuing in her own words – “The party that was formed to give political expression to the needs of working people has allowed the light on the hill to dim.” 

The duopoly of Labor and the Liberal-National Party, that Australians wearily switch between every few years, is no longer built on the foundations of what Labor and the LNP originally stood for. These establishment parties continue to take from working Australians to line the pockets of their billionaire mates at the World Economic Forum. 

One Nation is the only party that still stands for working Australians and will support all who’ve come to this country to lift themselves up through their own hard work and enterprise.

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On the weekend, former ACTU president and former Labor member of parliament Jennie George AO published an article in the Australian newspaper. It’s compulsory reading. Jennie clearly holds Labor’s light on the hill in her heart, and her words echo the sadness and grief of many Labor true believers. She said: ‘The party that was formed to give political expression to the needs of working people has allowed the light on the hill to dim.’ In a recent speech I remarked that in 2024 Labor’s famed light on the hill is now nothing more than the sun reflecting off solar panels, which we know are expensive, short-lived and an environmental disaster—just like the Albanese Labor government. 

Jennie George’s judgement of the modern ALP is savage. She says: ‘Labor today is not the party it was; it has lost its moral compass.’ Ouch! Labor Party members like Jennie have not left the party; the party left them. The Overton window is a metaphor for the acceptable range of ideas and policies in which many politicians think they can act. Through it, such politicians see the middle ground of Australian politics. Under successive Labor-Greens and Liberals-Nationals governments, the Overton window has moved so far to the left and to the autocratic—that it no longer provides for everyday Australians. We’re losing wealth, spending power, access to housing, democracy and enjoyment of the riches our country has to offer. Establishment parties continue to take from working Australians to line the pockets of their millionaire and billionaire mates at the World Economic Forum. 

One Nation is the only party that still stands for working Australians and for all who have come here to lift themselves up through their own hard work and enterprise. Our One Nation policies will make the lives of working Australians easier. Jennie George’s words embolden old Labor to take back their party and excise from its ranks those who wear the mark of the World Economic Forum. Restore the ascendancy of our parliament, and return power to the people we are supposed to serve. 

In yet more wasteful virtue signalling, Labor is laying on an extra fleet of luxury EVs for the ASEAN-Australia Special Summit from 4th-6th March 2024 to shuttle the hundreds of delegates around Melbourne at the taxpayers expense.

As much as this government is advancing the World Economic Forum agenda promoting bug protein, limits on food consumption, and energy policies, I am sure the meeting, like Davos, will get through copious amounts of meat and dairy. Any photos of the food can be sent to my website or shared to my social media.

The insanity of the Net Zero dog and pony show gets worse. Because there are not enough electric cars in the Victorian fleet, high end luxury European EVs from COMCAR services are being sent to Melbourne from Canberra and Adelaide. COMCAR staff are having to organising their route to Melbourne to include stopping at charging stations so they actually do make it to Melbourne.

Why is the PM again wasting tax dollars on tokenism? One Nation is keen to uncover just how much this stunt is costing Australian taxpayers.

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Next week the 11 leaders of countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations will arrive in Melbourne for the biannual ASEAN Summit. Hundreds of delegates will be shuttled around Melbourne at taxpayers’ expense. One Nation welcomes meetings like ASEAN that encourage countries to be good neighbours, and One Nation supports spending only what’s necessary to achieve a good outcome.  

As much as this government is advancing the World Economic Forum agenda promoting bug protein, limits on food consumption, and energy policies, I am sure the meeting will get through copious amounts of luxury food. Any photos of the food can be sent to my website or shared to my social media. What really got my attention is today’s Australian newspaper, with an article stating that the Prime Minister has required all vehicles provided to delegates to be electric. Because there are not enough electric cars in the Victorian fleet, electric Comcars are being sent to Melbourne from Canberra and Adelaide. Comcar staff are having to organising their route to Melbourne to include stopping at charging stations so they actually do make it to Melbourne. Why put on this tokenistic superficial show of fealty to the globalist electrification agenda at all?  

In the last few weeks, we’ve seen leading car makers do a U-turn on plans to sell only electric cars due to low demand, low profit and escalating scarcity of materials. In fact, despite heavy subsidies, last year in Europe EVs accounted for only 14 per cent of sales. Australia is half that. Insurance premiums are skyrocketing as damaged EVs prove very expensive to repair—one reason EVs lose value at twice the rate of cars with internal combustion engines. They’re lemons. The amount of minerals and energy needed to make, maintain and recycle electric vehicles is so high that EV stands for ‘environmental vandalism’.  

One Nation would like to know how much this exercise in virtue signalling is costing our Australian taxpayers. 

During Question Time, Finance Minister Katy Gallagher twice failed to rule out adding a tax to clothing.

This tax will be passed on to you and I at the checkout, making clothing more expensive and adding to the cost of living. The excuse for this tax is to reduce climate change by reducing the amount of clothing being manufactured. The wealthy wont reduce their purchases for the sake of a tax, yet everyday Australians will have no choice.

This exchange shows the Albanese Government really is considering taxing the shirt on your back, so you buy fewer clothes. Welcome to life under a Labor/Greens/WEF government.

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Senator ROBERTS: My question is to the minister representing the Minister for the Environment and Water, Senator Gallagher. Last week the Minister for the Environment and Water, Tania Plibersek MP, stated that Australians were throwing out too many items of clothing, and manufacturers should sign up to a government-backed scheme called Seamless to recycle and not dump used clothes. Clothing can and should be recycled into new clothing and other fibre products. One Australian company operates an upcycling scheme that has dozens of manufacturers, trade linen suppliers, recycling companies and retailers as members, and has taken 100 tonnes of clothing out of landfill. Minister, why is the government reinventing the wheel, creating its own favoured solution and imposing that instead of working with the industry to help them upscale their existing solution?

Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council): I thank Senator Roberts for the question. From what I’ve seen from the minister and the work that she has been doing in space, she has been working with industry and relevant businesses on the development of this policy. That has been critical to the work that she has been doing and it has certainly been under way for some time. I know there was talk before there was a summit and there was talk of a voluntary code, but it is an important part of ensuring that we are protecting the environment from the amount of waste that is going into landfill—and a big contributor of that is clothing. I don’t know, maybe I have misunderstood your question, Senator Roberts, but while there are manufacturers and industries in place that are already doing this, this is about building on that and making it more across-the-board, particularly for those that aren’t doing that, to make sure we are lifting our game in relation to recycling, and preventing the huge amount of clothing material going into landfill. If there are manufacturers or businesses that you think are feeling out of the loop of that consultation I’m sure the Minister for the Environment and Water would be happy to reach out.

The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, a first supplementary question?

Senator ROBERTS: Councils do not currently include clothing on the list of things people can put into a yellow bin. Most suggest giving used clothes to charity shops, very little of which can be resold. Most of that ends up in landfill at the charity shop’s expense. Isn’t the first step here sorting out the system for recycling and processing, then working with councils and retailers to encourage recycling through yellow bins? Is your government putting the cart before the horse?

Senator GALLAGHER: I don’t accept that, Senator Roberts. Where we can, we do work with councils and we work with businesses—we’ll work with anybody who wants to help protect the environment and reduce the amount of waste going to landfill. From my reading—and I was not here last week—of the work that Minister Plibersek was doing, it was about encouraging the voluntary cooperation or involvement of businesses in Seamless, in that program, to build it from there. So I would think, yes, you have to work with all of those people, including the councils that run the recycling facilities, whether it be the tips or whether it be what is called the Green Shed here. People donate to Vinnies. There are clothing bins. There are all of those options. Many of those are run by local government. But the Commonwealth government should provide a leadership role and provide that stewardship, where we can, and work together with everybody involved.

The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, a second supplementary?

Senator ROBERTS: Minister Plibersek threatened that if the industry did not accept the government’s superfluous Seamless then a 4 cent waste levy should be imposed on clothing manufacturers. This proposal will increase the cost of clothing at the checkouts. Minister, will you, right now, rule out taxing clothing? 

Senator GALLAGHER: Minister Plibersek has been working with the industry to reduce the amount of waste. Clothes are cheaper than they have ever been—this is part of the problem. Anyone with teenagers or anyone who goes on some of these websites knows that you can replace your whole wardrobe, very cost-efficiently, because of the nature of people’s buying habits and the ability to get clothes from overseas. We are seeing that the average Australian sends almost 10 kilos of clothing waste to landfill every year. So it is a big problem, and it’s a problem that we need to work across industry to fix. 

The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Roberts? 

Senator ROBERTS: A point of order on relevance: I asked, ‘Will the minister now rule out taxing clothing?’ 

The PRESIDENT: The minister is being relevant to your question, Senator Roberts. 

Senator GALLAGHER: I am explaining what the government is doing. You might want to take it somewhere else, which we have no plans to do. We are talking about what we are doing now with Seamless, which is: working with industry to reduce the amount of clothing going to landfill. And we will work with anybody who wants to work with us on that.

Following Question Time, I moved to take note of the Minister’s response to my questions.

When did it become appropriate for the government to decide how much clothing you own? Minister Tania Plibersek is repeating World Economic Forum rhetoric designed to widen the gulf between the haves and the have nots. It’s terrifying that Minister Plibersek should recycle WEF talking points to the Australian public.

The real failure however is that many people aren’t aware that clothes can be recycled. Councils and retail stores don’t offer recycling options, and although the fashion industry has started recycling facilities in Sydney and Melbourne, more is needed.

Instead of taxing clothing, how about working with the industry to expand capability and encourage the clothing industry to tag items for recycling instead of throwing them out. The government could do with ignoring the WEF and its CCP-style rules and instead think for itself on behalf of Australians not globalists. How about less stick and more common sense?

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I move: 

That the Senate take note of the answer given by the Minister representing the Minister for the Environment and Water (Senator Gallagher) to a question without notice I asked today relating to the government’s proposed tax on clothing. 

We are told the proposed tax on clothing is to encourage recycling. The proposal from the Minister for the Environment and Water was floated over the weekend. This was not some random thought bubble. The World Economic Forum and its acolytes have been saying for years that everyday citizens are buying too much clothing. Minister Plibersek repeated those World Economic Forum talking points in the same press conference. This begs the questions: What’s the correct amount of clothing a person can own? Who decides how much clothing we each get to own? Is the intent to remove colour and style options so that a few approved uniforms are all we need? Didn’t China try that already? 

This proposal sits alongside the World Economic Forum policy that I spoke to last sitting, calling on people to wear clothing for a week and jeans for a month before washing them. It’s true that laundering clothing does wear it out. To get by with fewer items of clothing, one has to wash them less often. At least they thought this through. 

It’s terrifying that a minister of the Crown would repeat World Economic Forum talking points designed to ensure that everyday Australians have less. The failure here, though, is this: the reason we throw out so much clothing is that Australians don’t know clothing can be recycled. Councils don’t have clothing on the lists of things you can put in a yellow bin. Retailers don’t have recycling bins in stores, and they don’t attach a tag to a garment saying, ‘You can recycle the product in a yellow bin.’ The industry already has recycling facilities in Sydney and Melbourne, which is a good start. 

Here’s an idea: instead of taxing clothing to create a new recycling system, as the Labor Party is considering, how about working with the industry to expand capability and then encourage the public to recycle clothing instead of throwing it out? This government needs to use less stick and more commonsense. It needs to use less control and do more listening and consulting. 

Question agreed to. 

I asked questions about the progress of an application by Vow Food for lab-grown quail meat. This is a serious matter that will provide approval for an entirely new industry — an industry that is promoted as being environmentally friendly, while offering a high standard of food, when the truth is the complete opposite.

My questions were based on the timetable for approval published on Food Standards Australia New Zealand’s (FSANZ) own website for this application. A timetable that appears to be out of date. It’s not acceptable that FSANZ would not keep the index page for this most important of applications up to date. I trust the answers provided, which extend the timetable 8 months, are truthful.

While FSANZ are apparently calling for submissions, there has been no attempt to promote the ability of the public and interested groups to do so. This suggests the submission will be curated to provide support for the application. Lab grown meat is a massive threat to public health and safety.

The product is grown in a bioreactor and develops a nutrition profile which is directly related to the fertilizer solution added to the growing medium. Fatal bacteria such as e-coli and salmonella must be controlled. The name of the game here is profit, taking food production away from family farms that produce a healthy natural product and moving it to city-based intensive production facilities owned by foreign corporations operating for profit. I have no confidence under this model that the main input — the nutrition slurry, and the anti-bacterial protections — will not be dialled down so as to dial profits up. I will return to this topic in May.

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CHAIR: Senator Roberts, you have the call.

Senator ROBERTS: Thank you for appearing today. I’ve got a document that I’m going to try to table later. My questions are about the progress of the Vow company’s lab-grown quail meat. It appears your organisation has recommended that your board approve the lab-grown meat at its next meeting later this month. Is that correct?

Dr Cuthbert: No, that’s not correct. That process goes through two calls for submissions, so we’ve got two processes where we seek comments from any interested stakeholder.

Senator ROBERTS: Any Australian?

Dr Cuthbert: Any stakeholder. It just finished its first call for submissions on, I believe, 5 February. We received approximately 40 submissions on that first round. We’ll then be considering all of the submissions that we’ve received and go out for a second round of consultation once we’ve considered all of those submissions. There will be that second opportunity for people to comment. Only after that will we be putting it forward to the board for consideration.

CHAIR: I’m just going to provide advice on this document. I’m still seeking the source to table, but I’m happy for it to be distributed to witnesses to assist in answering questions. Then we’ll provide advice on tabling.

Senator ROBERTS: Why are there calls for comment?

Dr Cuthbert: Under the FSANZ Act there are models under which we can assess a product. The framework we utilise depends on the product’s complexity and other variables. For this one, because it’s a normal food and because of the complexity that was assessed, we determined that the process that it’s under will include two rounds of public consultation.

Senator ROBERTS: If the board approves a product, which—is that likely?

Dr Cuthbert: We’re still in the process of—

Senator ROBERTS: So it’s too early to say if it’s likely or not. When will you finish your process of consultation and listening, and make a recommendation to the board? When will the board sign off—if it signs off? I’m after rough timing.

Dr Cuthbert: I might seek input from Ms Jenny Hazelton, who’s managing the branch responsible for this piece of work.

Ms Hazelton: The normal process for applications—there are some statutory time frames for completion of that work. At this stage we’re anticipating it will be later this year when we will be putting this to the board. As Dr Cuthbert’s already indicated, we do have another round of public comment, and what comes forward in that second round of public comment will likely then determine when it will actually go to the board.

Senator ROBERTS: So it could go to the board sometime after July or maybe towards the end of the year?

Ms Hazelton: Closer to the end of the year, more likely.

Senator ROBERTS: How long will it take to be gazetted if the board approves it?

Ms Hazelton: The process from there would be that we would notify the Food Ministers Meeting of the outcome.

Senator ROBERTS: That’s federal and state?

Dr Cuthbert: Yes. That’s the representation on the Food Ministers Meeting. They have 60 days to consider that and either ask for us to review that decision or accept, and it would then go on to a gazettal after that time.

Senator ROBERTS: So they’re part of the process of approving or rejecting?

Ms Hazelton: Correct.

Senator ROBERTS: How does that process work? Is it a unanimous vote, or is it just that each state signs up or doesn’t sign up?

Ms Hazelton: It operates through a consensus. Sorry—each state and territory and New Zealand has an opportunity to vote for whether they will accept the approval or whether they will ask for a review.

Senator ROBERTS: Thank you. I referenced your document 273-23 ‘Consumer insights tracker’, which is one of these. There it is; 273-23. Are you familiar with that?

Dr Cuthbert: Our consumer insights tracker?

Senator ROBERTS: Yes. This is a supporting document to consumer literature review application A1269.

Dr Cuthbert: Apologies. Yes; thank you very much.

Senator ROBERTS: It’s available on your website, which concludes, the best name to give this novel food is ‘cell cultured,’ which makes it sound better than ‘lab grown’ or ‘Frankenfood’. I note that your language on subsequent documents uses ‘cell cultured’ or ‘cultured’. Why are you using language that promotes adoption of this product?

Ms Hazelton: We did do a literature review in terms of looking at consumers understanding of what that type of language would be. We are only at the first stage of this process—we’ve just received submissions—so that’s what we have proposed to date. That may not necessarily be what is ultimately in the final approval.

Senator ROBERTS: Your document, which was in that pile there, A1269 hazard and risk assessment, that document references the food safety aspects of cell-based food from the United Nations and the World Health Organization—both organisations I have very little regard for, but nonetheless even they list 53 potential hazards from lab grown meat. That report concludes on page 118: ‘Risk assessment was only the first part of the process of approving lab grown meat for human consumption. What needs to follow are our regulatory authorities cooperating with each other to share information around these potential health risks, which can be pretty severe.’ Rather than doing that and asking for in-depth studies, is FSANZ intending on waving these products through?

Dr Cuthbert: We will continue to do our assessment, and that assessment is quite broad, to determine the safety that needs to be considered through the process.

Senator ROBERTS: Has Vow addressed all your concerns?

Ms Leemhuis: We have received a raft of information from the applicant, Vow, but in addition to that we do look globally at what other evidence is available to inform our assessment.

Senator ROBERTS: Okay. Could you take on notice—I won’t take up the committee’s time now because we’re behind schedule—the approval processes or the steps that you take to consider an application, please? Did you ask Vow for genotoxicity studies in rats, commonly used to ascertain the safety of the product on reproduction and on the growth of cancers or organ damage.

Ms Leemhuis: We regularly ask for toxicity studies for almost all applications that we receive. I’d have to take on notice the specific studies we received for this one, although they will be referenced in the A1269 report online.

Senator ROBERTS: Including genotoxicity?

Ms Leemhuis: Including genotoxicity, yes.

Senator ROBERTS: The approval process seems to be, ‘Well, we can’t find literature that says’—this is casting the net broadly about the approval process, not necessarily yours—’this novel food is dangerous, so we won’t do the work to fill that gap and make sure this product is safe.’ That sounds like malfeasance. Have you done much work with other agencies, including your own, on whether the process is rigorous?

Ms Leemhuis: We work internationally with all of our regulatory partners in this area. We are not alone in looking at these new products coming to market, so, yes, we have regular conversations with a number of agencies globally around this, and the evidence required to assess the safety of these products.

Senator ROBERTS: Could you take it on notice to list those agencies for me, please?

Ms Leemhuis: Yes.

Senator ROBERTS: And would you characterise the exercise in some agencies overseas as just tick and flick, ‘Just approve it’, ‘Might as well do it’?

Ms Leemhuis: I’m not sure we could comment on other agencies processes, just our own.

Senator ROBERTS: Okay. How would you describe your process of assessment and approval? Rigorous?

Ms Leemhuis: Yes.

Dr Cuthbert: Yes.

Senator ROBERTS: These products, these fake meats, are grown in a bioreactor that needs to force cell growth as fast as possible to make money in what is a chemical and energy intensive process. One outcome that many authors have warned about is how the forcing of cell division leads to cancerous cells growing and that people could, in fact, be eating a product that is cancer. I don’t even see that dealt with in your risk assessment. Why not?

Ms Leemhuis: We look at the toxicity of these products and all the evidence provided for that. So, not only do we look at the end product, but we also look at all the inputs into how that product is made. Our view is informed by that.

Senator ROBERTS: Okay. These products have all the nutrition in them that is introduced into the bioreactor. You talk about nutritional value, but it appears no ongoing monitoring will be imposed on Vow to ensure they keep shovelling these nutrients in there at the same rate as the samples they send you. Is that correct? Is there any ongoing monitoring?

Ms Leemhuis: Again, I’d note we’re not finalised with our process yet. In terms of management, that will be in the next call for submission.

Senator ROBERTS: Forget about Vow for a minute. If you authorise or approve this fake meat from some company, then do you monitor the consequences of that in succeeding years?

Ms Leemhuis: FSANZ has an ongoing role in monitoring the food supplies, so, yes. But as part of our assessment process we can also impose conditions that do look to monitor these products if they are of concern or concerns are raised through the assessment that we want to continue to look at into the future.

Senator ROBERTS: I guess there’s a difference between monitoring something in closed conditions and letting it go through a manufacturing process that may or may not be sloppy—who knows what will happen in there? Listeria has been identified as a medium- to high-risk foodborne pathogen that can enter during the final stage of cell growth, meaning it gets into the bioreactor. You have identified potential risks from salmonella and E. coli. Vow have made the claim that lab meats help antimicrobial resistance by using fewer antimicrobial products in production, cleaning and sanitising their factory than natural meat. How accurate is that statement?

Ms Leemhuis: Sorry; I’m not quite sure what statement you’re referring to.

Senator ROBERTS: Vow has made the claim that lab meats help antimicrobial resistance by using fewer antimicrobial products in production, cleaning and sanitising than is the case in natural meat. Is that correct?

Dr Cuthbert: I don’t know that it’s necessary for us to comment on the accuracy of a claim that a company is making. Our job is to ensure that we’re evaluating the safety of the product that’s before us to determine if it’s suitable and safe to be circulated for consumption. Whether it’s more or less than another process is not part of the process.

Senator ROBERTS: So I guess you’ll do that assessment as part of your approval process?

Mr Comley: What’s an absolute assessment?

Senator ROBERTS: Sorry, Mr Comley?

Mr Comley: Sorry; I should leave it to the food authority. I was just saying I think what Dr Cuthbert was saying is it’s an absolute assessment rather than relative assessment against other products that are on the market at the moment.

Dr Cuthbert: Exactly.

Senator ROBERTS: Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Your documentation, some could say, dresses up this decision as some kind of saviour for the environment. I have circulated an Oxford University article and a peer reviewed paper that finds that very energy intensive bioreactors could have worse long-term environmental consequences than livestock farming in terms of carbon dioxide equivalent emissions—CO2e. Now I don’t think the carbon dioxide production is at all a threat to humanity but, for those who do, recent calculations show that if we wanted to meet the additional demand for meat by 2030 exclusively with cultured meat we would have to build 150,000 bioreactors, which would produce 352 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent as against 150 million tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent for natural livestock farming. Why shouldn’t people conclude that approving this lab meat is a terrible mistake?

Ms Leemhuis: Just in terms of our roles and responsibilities, it really is about the safety of this product. That’s the act. It says that our role is to assess the safety of the product for human consumption, which is the role we have taken in looking at this application—

Senator ROBERTS: And not just in the lab, but in practical terms.

Ms Leemhuis: rather than the carbon emissions. That’s not within our scope to consider; it’s the safety of the product.

Senator ROBERTS: Okay. Thank you very much.